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Old 06-18-2012, 05:15 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Thanks for posting. Alot of it sounds like bullshit to me honestly. The reason Orton lost was because he was in trouble for violating the wellness policy if I remember correctly.

The whole dropping to Goldberg thing is fabricated to. The Rodman/Malone/Hogan/Page thing had already been happening before this. Also Hogan beating Goldberg could have been good business if done right.

The Jeff Jarrett thing was kinda planned. The plan was for Hogan to later bring "his" title back to face the wcw champion at starrcade but Russo got a little to personal during his speech and Hogan got pissed. L

Also why would Hogan lose to DDP or Luger in 1997? Clearly they were building up to Sting/Hogan and if Page got the clean victory it would have killed the feud. The Luger fluke was perfectly booked though.

Not the biggest HOgan fan but some of these are just retarded.
The thing with Hogan/Orton wasn't a case of Randy Orton being punished because of his 60 day suspension as he had come back and gone over Kurt Angle upon returning if i remember rightly. I just can't imagine Hulk Hogan agreeing to lose to Randy Orton and i've heard an interview he did on Youtube in which he stated that match should have main evented Summerslam that year and he was very surprised it didn't.

A lot of people buy into the whole Hogan/Jarrett/Russo thing too much as like you said the plan was to have Hulk Hogan come back at a later date with his "World title" and then do a champion vs champion match at Starrcade if i remember right. It was said that Vince Russo went off script and went too far in his shoot because Hulk Hogan said he didn't think he should lose when he came back whilst Vince Russo wanted Hulk Hogan to put over whoever was World champion at Starrcade that year which was Scott Steiner if i remember right again.

There is definitely some arguable things on there which are more urban legend rather than fact but then there is a lot on there that people are pretty sure on and everyone knows that there has never been a bigger politician in wrestling history than Hulk Hogan but then neither has there been a bigger star. I can very easily buy into the fact that after all Hulk Hogan had done for the wrestling industry in between 1984 and 1991 he knew he could get away with things that no one else could dream of and often used creative control which was gained through his star power so i'd say most things prior to 1990 are lies or exaggerated.

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1993 - speculation

1994 - speculation

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1998 - BS and can be proved otherwise.

etc

That's like me writing an imaginary story and facts that has nothing to do with what really happened.

John Cena:

2005 - Cena told Vince that he's quitting unless he starts to promote him on RAW

2006 - Cena dropped the belt to Edge after a year, but said that he's only doing it after 2 spears, then demanded to win the belt back after 3 weeks.

2008 - Cena faked an injury because he wanted a vacation with pay, only to come back 3 months later to win the world title in his first match back.

2012 - Cena refused to job with the excuse that he needs to look strong all the way to WM.

I can play this game with any top guy in the history of the business.

Hogan was and is bigger than the business and he's a master in promote an event and draw a crowd, that's exactly what he did in Japan.
It doesn't really work the same with John Cena though because no one ever hears anything bad or even percieved as bad about John Cena outside of Ken Doane lately regarding John Cena having an affair with Mickie James but never anything in regards to politics. Even with all the problems with his marriage John Cena isn't asking for time off so even talking hyperthetically about him faking injuries wouldn't be at all believable. As for refusing to job i think we know that wouldn't be true either as he has lost to many people over the years cleanly and non clean and has probably lost more times as the top guy than any other top guy in WWE history outside of The Rock.
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:28 PM   #52 (permalink)
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The thing with Hogan/Orton wasn't a case of Randy Orton being punished because of his 60 day suspension as he had come back and gone over Kurt Angle upon returning if i remember rightly. I just can't imagine Hulk Hogan agreeing to lose to Randy Orton and i've heard an interview he did on Youtube in which he stated that match should have main evented Summerslam that year and he was very surprised it didn't.

A lot of people buy into the whole Hogan/Jarrett/Russo thing too much as like you said the plan was to have Hulk Hogan come back at a later date with his "World title" and then do a champion vs champion match at Starrcade if i remember right. It was said that Vince Russo went off script and went too far in his shoot because Hulk Hogan said he didn't think he should lose when he came back whilst Vince Russo wanted Hulk Hogan to put over whoever was World champion at Starrcade that year which was Scott Steiner if i remember right again.

There is definitely some arguable things on there which are more urban legend rather than fact but then there is a lot on there that people are pretty sure on and everyone knows that there has never been a bigger politician in wrestling history than Hulk Hogan but then neither has there been a bigger star. I can very easily buy into the fact that after all Hulk Hogan had done for the wrestling industry in between 1984 and 1991 he knew he could get away with things that no one else could dream of and often used creative control which was gained through his star power so i'd say most things prior to 1990 are lies or exaggerated.



It doesn't really work the same with John Cena though because no one ever hears anything bad or even percieved as bad about John Cena outside of Ken Doane lately regarding John Cena having an affair with Mickie James but never anything in regards to politics. Even with all the problems with his marriage John Cena isn't asking for time off so even talking hyperthetically about him faking injuries wouldn't be at all believable. As for refusing to job i think we know that wouldn't be true either as he has lost to many people over the years cleanly and non clean and has probably lost more times as the top guy than any other top guy in WWE history outside of The Rock.
I'll give you two more:

Politics - John Cena is now known to demand long stretches of not losing at all, even by DQ. Confirmed by former writer.

Liar & hypocrite - Cena stated that he thinks athletes should go to jail for using steroids. Problem is that Cena is roided out to the max himself, and has clearly been using them his whole career.

And most of that shit on Hogan is confirmed bullshit. Most of the "no job" decisions were made by Vince himself. And if Hogan was so unwilling to job then how do you explain Billy Kidman, Vampiro, Brock Lesnar, Mike Awesome, Sting, Goldberg, Ric Flair, and the Rock? All of those jobs took place in the last few years of his active career in the late 90s early 2000s. He even laid down for pins in tag matches against Nash and Sid. Hogan has done a lot of politicking no doubt, but haters dump a ton more bullshit on him that isn't warranted.
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I'll give you two more:

Politics - John Cena is now known to demand long stretches of not losing at all, even by DQ. Confirmed by former writer.

Liar & hypocrite - Cena stated that he thinks athletes should go to jail for using steroids. Problem is that Cena is roided out to the max himself, and has clearly been using them his whole career.

And most of that shit on Hogan is confirmed bullshit. Most of the "no job" decisions were made by Vince himself. And if Hogan was so unwilling to job then how do you explain Billy Kidman, Vampiro, Brock Lesnar, Mike Awesome, Sting, Goldberg, Ric Flair, and the Rock? All of those jobs took place in the last few years of his active career in the late 90s early 2000s. He even laid down for pins in tag matches against Nash and Sid. Hogan has done a lot of politicking no doubt, but haters dump a ton more bullshit on him that isn't warranted.

Why is it so hard to believe that Cena doesnt take steroids? He might take pro hormones and test boosters but Im sure he knows how to cycle them and stuff. Plus hes been lifting since he was 13. Look at Kai Greene(pro bodybuilder) for awhile he was a ntural and still a freak...cena could be the same way.
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Why is it so hard to believe that Cena doesnt take steroids? He might take pro hormones and test boosters but Im sure he knows how to cycle them and stuff. Plus hes been lifting since he was 13. Look at Kai Greene(pro bodybuilder) for awhile he was a ntural and still a freak...cena could be the same way.
Because I have a degree in Kinesiology. I guarantee you that Cena has been using roids his whole career. Remember how much smaller and deflated Ultimate Warrior looked after he stopped taking roids? Yep, that is as big as you can get without them. The dirty secret is that any guy in any sport you see that is massive like Cena is on roids. Humans simply do not get that muscular without them. The vast majority of guys in pro sports and pro wrestling are taking steroids. Its been that way for the last half century at least.
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I enjoys reading when people actually believes John Cena is not on roids or never did them
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:54 AM   #56 (permalink)
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I'll give you two more:

Politics - John Cena is now known to demand long stretches of not losing at all, even by DQ. Confirmed by former writer.

Liar & hypocrite - Cena stated that he thinks athletes should go to jail for using steroids. Problem is that Cena is roided out to the max himself, and has clearly been using them his whole career.

And most of that shit on Hogan is confirmed bullshit. Most of the "no job" decisions were made by Vince himself. And if Hogan was so unwilling to job then how do you explain Billy Kidman, Vampiro, Brock Lesnar, Mike Awesome, Sting, Goldberg, Ric Flair, and the Rock? All of those jobs took place in the last few years of his active career in the late 90s early 2000s. He even laid down for pins in tag matches against Nash and Sid. Hogan has done a lot of politicking no doubt, but haters dump a ton more bullshit on him that isn't warranted.
For one that former writer actually said John Cena suggested it might be a good idea to go unbeaten from Survivor Series through to WrestleMania to help build Cena/Rock which is barely a long streak and is actually common sense when your trying to hype a match as the biggest ever. Secondly John Cena admitted to using steroids years ago before his wrestling career as he was a bodybuilder but hasn't since then and if you look at his size and shape it hasn't really changed since he debuted back in 2002.

As for Hulk Hogan willing to lose well the people you listed couldn't be worse examples as he ruined Sting/Hogan in losing because of the finish killed a years build up, he lost to Ric Flair at Uncensored in 1999 due to the referee ignoring the fact Ric Flair was bleeding despite it being a First Blood Cage match. As for The Rock and Brock Lesnar they are said to have both come with conditions with him losing to The Rock in return for a babyface run and the WWE title of which he had both and he is said to have lost to Brock Lesnar in return for taking time off. Yes he lost to Goldberg but anything else would go down as the single worst booking decision ever and even Eric Bischoff wouldn't have allowed that and Billy Kidman but it didn't do a great deal for Billy Kidman because by then it was too late.

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I enjoys reading when people actually believes John Cena is not on roids or never did them
As i said John Cena admitted to doing steroids prior to his wrestling career as he was a bodybuilder but he has said he hasn't since then and if he had been doing them throughout his career then he would have been punished or someone who had left WWE with nothing to lose would have said something like Scott Steiner did about Triple H. The fact is people who don't like John Cena try to find things to hate him even further and justify it whereas with Hulk Hogan a lot of it is known or been rumoured for years and spoken about by a lot of people. Not everything that is said about Hulk Hogan is true but some of it is otherwise he wouldn't have the reputation as the biggest politician in wrestling history. People believe Shawn Michaels was a prick backstage because people said it yet it isn't believable when the same is said of Hulk Hogan for some reason.
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in 93 hogan took his ball and went home to be a movie star
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Wow I had no idea of any of this, great thread!
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Great vids, I think the main reason he went to Japan was that he had gotten really stale in the U.S. and he went somewhere that really looked at him as larger than life.
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