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Old 06-11-2012, 01:58 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Word is that they edited Gorilla's commentary at the '92 Royal Rumble, where at first when Sid eliminated Hogan he was fine with it on the live event, talking about how anything can happen. Then, later, they supposedly edited it that Monsoon called Sid a jerk for what he did.

Bringing Hogan back in 1993 was a bad move on Vince's part. It started the whole train wreck that we see of Hogan today.
LOL, I never knew that. Absolutely ridiculous. Editing in favor of the stale face of the company? That sounds familiar.... Wink wink. But it's laughable that Monsoon would call Sid a jerk from doing nothing wrong.
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:31 AM   #22 (permalink)
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This is one reason I always trash Hogan. Bret Hart was actually treated like shit because of "OH BROTHER". The industry suffered because of him at this point and he really screwed over three of the most talented individuals of all time.

Seriously, all GOAT conversations should include Hart, HBK and Flair, but because Hogan was a selfish piece of trash the MOST talented guys are usually left out. At any point prior to 1995 he should have put over any one of these guys, preferably Bret in the year at question, 1993. If Hogan had done this the industry would have benefited even more during the Monday Night Wars.

For the life of me Hogan winning Wrestlemania then disappearing to Japan is one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen. Who knows maybe Vince knew about the steroid scandal and knew about the industry going all smark and wanted people to look back and go 'HOLY SHIT WHAT AN ASSCLOWN'...

In all honesty though, I think its Vince's dilemma between endorsing the man that helped him build his company or dumping the dead weight.
Yeah its a good thing Bret learned from that and never refused to put a guy he didn't like over for the WWF title... oh wait.
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:57 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Hogan scored a huge deal from WWE, and agreed to put over The Rock. He suggests they close the show as he felt "they had drawn the crowd" - but McMahon and specifically Triple H refuse to put the WWE Title match in a secondary role.
This is true, and there's a footage of HHH contradicts himself in his 2002 DVD "The Game" and the 2011 WM DVD, in one video he said that the title is the most important thing and should be last. In the other he says that HE told WWE that Rock/Hogan should be last but THEY wanted him to close the show. Completely hypocritical and especially after WM26 when the title wasn't the last match.

Hogan was right about a heel ending WM, the crowd exploded when Hogan won and he send them home happy, like you should do at WM. As for the belt, he just put over his title match, nobody was going to see what he said about the WWF title anyway because it was a PC in Japan, and he's putting over their title to make it bigger. Simple and smart marketing to draw crowd.
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:41 AM   #24 (permalink)
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From what I know Hogan got the belt and was meant to drop it back to Bret at Summerslam 1993. According to Bret they did the photo set of him and Hogan doing the tug of war for the belt to promote the event. Then came all the BS of Hogan not wanting to put Bret over cos he wasnt a huge star and he wasnt a big guy so they made Hogan drop it back to Yoko. I also heard McMahon was playing them against each other during that time as if to look like Bret was gonna face Hogan and get the title back only to have Hogan think he wasnt gonna face bret. Honestly who the fuck knows what happened with this mess. But what I know is that Hogan is a egomanic whos all for himself and his few boys.
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:08 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Going a bit off topic but the Hogan thing to me is just an attempt by the WWE of finding a better draw than Bret, a trend that would repeat itself through Hart's time as top babyface. Hart is one my favourite babyfaces but sadly he could not draw as big as Hogan or Austin. Having Hogan back in the main event scene even for a few months was probably seen as a way of getting more viewers. Look at this way:

1992 - Hogan leaves due to steroid scandal Bret beats Flair in a surprise win to become World Champion thus becoming top babyface.
1993 - Hart loses to top heel at Wrestlemania but Hogan returns and becomes champion again.Hogan leaves and the WWF attempt to make Luger top babyface.
1994 - Luger gimmick fails and Hart is pushed again beating the top heel at Wrestlemania. However by the end of the year Diesel wins the title and is promoted as top babyface.
1995 - Diesel is a flop and after a year Hart gains a clean victory over Diesel to win the title. Hart is top babyface again.
1996 - Hart loses to Michaels who is now promoted as the top babyface. Michaels doesn't draw much more than Bret despite him being a top class wrestler like Hart. Vince then persuades Hart to return to the company and he is once again top babyface.
1997 - Hart is the top babyface and is due to win the title from Shawn but he gets shafted again. Hart finally turns heel and puts Austin over. Hart retains a babyface status in Canada and leaves the company in 1997 as the top guy.
1998 - Austin is the top babyface and face of the company. A much bigger draw than Hart, his popularity is just what Vince wanted.

So you can see how the New Generation era can be defined as a constant attempt to find a top draw replacement for Hogan. Hart by default was the guy because the others were not much better. Shawn was his equal, perhaps even better in some cases but Diesel and Luger were dire and I can see why the babyface spot kept coming back to Hart. Hart was a a top class wrestler but what matters more is ratings.
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Going a bit off topic but the Hogan thing to me is just an attempt by the WWE of finding a better draw than Bret, a trend that would repeat itself through Hart's time as top babyface. Hart is one my favourite babyfaces but sadly he could not draw as big as Hogan or Austin. Having Hogan back in the main event scene even for a few months was probably seen as a way of getting more viewers. Look at this way:
But he wasn't in the main event scene. He wasn't anywhere. He won the title and disappeared from the the WWF for two and half months. For the entire seventy days of his WWF Championship reign they basically didn't have a champion; he didn't appear on TV and he only wrestled maybe two tag team matches at House Shows. Hogan wasn't 'back in the WWF', he'd basically stolen the WWF Championship and was using it as a prop to make him look better while fighting for IWGP in Japan. It was a truly ridiculous state of affairs. The only possible reason for McMahon going along with it would have been to keep Hogan sweet so that he wouldn't testify against him in court. That's my guess. Personally, I'd have just had Hogan killed.

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Hogan was right about a heel ending WM, the crowd exploded when Hogan won and he send them home happy, like you should do at WM. As for the belt, he just put over his title match, nobody was going to see what he said about the WWF title anyway because it was a PC in Japan, and he's putting over their title to make it bigger. Simple and smart marketing to draw crowd.
Even if Hogan was right about sending the fans home happy, what possible justification is there in putting the WWF title on somebody who isn't going to be there for the next three months? If they wanted to send the fans home happy, they should have had Bret retain the title. And the only reason the fans "exploded" at the end of the match (barring their surprise at the unexpected ending) was because Hulk Hogan was a marginally better option as Champion than Yokozuna (who was still green, and too large for most performers to be able to comfortably work with). As it turned out, Yokozuna still ended up with a massively boring Championship reign so it just delayed the inevitable.

Secondly, regardless of how many people he expected to see it, Hogan shouldn't have talked trash about the WWF title in an open forum. It's disrespectful and it's unprofessional. Also, I completely disagree with the claim that it was "simple and smart marketing" - it wasn't smart at all. If the WWF title is a "toy" and a "trinket", what does that say about the man holding it? He should have bigged up the WWF title, not run it down. By making out that he is holding a piece of crap meaningless belt, he is basically describing himself as crappy and meaningless.
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I agree that it was strange that Hogan was allowed to win the title if he wasnt going to defend the belt. Sure he got hurt badly in that accident, but he could at least have worked some houseshows against Yoko before WM.

As for Hogan dropping the belt to Bret Hard, Hogan calims his deal was to drop it to Yokozuna all along. As Bret Hart claims the photoshot, but also agrees to, is that Vince might have tricked them both. First Vince promising Hogan to drop it to Yoko to keep Hogans ego intact, and then promise Bret to get a win over Hogan with the belt. With Vince Hoping to get the Hart-Hogan match. But since Hogans deal was to drop it to Yoko, Hogan went with that, and I kind of understand why Hogan Might not have seen Bret as a credible World champion at the time. Bret was so much smaller and had been a semi jobber and a tag team guy for years. Hogan was at the time the Elvis of Wrestling. Hogan was from a different era and had difficulties seeing smaller guys as World champion


As for Hogan trashtalking the belt in Japan. It WAS smart marketing. Technology back then was not as good, so the few people in US who saw it did not affect the mass audience. Hogan did it simply to put over the japanese company. Also since there was serious tension between Hogan and McMahon at the time, Hogan might have taken a shot at WWF by saying this.
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Well, Hogan got a few things right. Having a heel exit Wrestlemania as champion would have been a bad idea back in the early 1990s and Rock/Hogan should have main evented Wrestlemania. Other than that, Hogan's gonna Hogan...
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Bret Hart could have retained against Yokozuna. Failing that, they could have put Mega-Maniacs vs Money Inc on last; the WWF title match wasn't on last at Wrestlemania 8.
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Bret Hart could have retained against Yokozuna. Failing that, they could have put Mega-Maniacs vs Money Inc on last; the WWF title match wasn't on last at Wrestlemania 8.
Yokozuna was pushed to the moon as a unbeatable monster heel at this time. IMO a defeat was not a option for a young guy who was the top heel of the company at this time.
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