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Old 06-10-2012, 03:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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This is one reason I always trash Hogan. Bret Hart was actually treated like shit because of "OH BROTHER". The industry suffered because of him at this point and he really screwed over three of the most talented individuals of all time.

Seriously, all GOAT conversations should include Hart, HBK and Flair, but because Hogan was a selfish piece of trash the MOST talented guys are usually left out. At any point prior to 1995 he should have put over any one of these guys, preferably Bret in the year at question, 1993. If Hogan had done this the industry would have benefited even more during the Monday Night Wars.

For the life of me Hogan winning Wrestlemania then disappearing to Japan is one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen. Who knows maybe Vince knew about the steroid scandal and knew about the industry going all smark and wanted people to look back and go 'HOLY SHIT WHAT AN ASSCLOWN'...

In all honesty though, I think its Vince's dilemma between endorsing the man that helped him build his company or dumping the dead weight.
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Hogan politricking Vinnie Mac is legendary but Hogan disrespecting the strap is unbelievable. I have no clue why Vince allowed the champion to disappear from TV for months (allow me to add how some people thinking Brock Lesnar or The Rock winning the title and doing the same thing is a good idea today....no it isn't.)

Hogan was the the proverbial goose laying golden eggs and keeping him happy had always made Vince money, even if it made him look foolish & weak also. There's plenty of times he should have told Hogan to fuck off but he didn't. Hogan is by far one of the biggest backstabbers in history. He tried to put Vince outta business when he was in WCW and then he attempted to split Vince's audience with TNA as soon as he got there!
The only thing he didn't do is say Vince told him to take steroids, which if he had done that would have sunk the ship completely because Vince wouldn't have gotten outta prison until a few years ago.

I also feel bad for Bret. First Flair disappoints him and first ever world title win isn't broadcast on a big time television show (like a PPV/Superstars etc), then Vinnie & Hulk get over on him at WM 9, then Hulk refuses to drop the strap to him, then Vinnie puts the screws to him further by trying to replace him with Luger. After all that he still remained loyal and worked hard and after Yoko was done, Hogan was gone and Luger had failed, all that was left was Bret. That's a damn shame.

I won't go into the whole deal with Backlund, Diesel & HBK but it seemed like Bret had a really hard time keeping up with the politics of the WWE and he was made a fool of far too many times for my liking.
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Old 06-10-2012, 03:53 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I also feel bad for Bret. First Flair disappoints him and first ever world title win isn't broadcast on a big time television show (like a PPV/Superstars etc), then Vinnie & Hulk get over on him at WM 9, then Hulk refuses to drop the strap to him, then Vinnie puts the screws to him further by trying to replace him with Luger. After all that he still remained loyal and worked hard and after Yoko was done, Hogan was gone and Luger had failed, all that was left was Bret. That's a damn shame.

I won't go into the whole deal with Backlund, Diesel & HBK but it seemed like Bret had a really hard time keeping up with the politics of the WWE and he was made a fool of far too many times for my liking.
Yeah, Bret definitely got shafted by the WWF. By giving him the title in such a low key way, it implied that they were almost ashamed of him being champion. They never booked the Flair/Hart PPV rematch (which they could've done at Royal Rumble 1993 instead of rushing Razor Ramon into the title match). Getting that big PPV win would have been really good for Bret's reign. As good as his match with HBK was Survivor Series 1992, Shawn wasn't really a world title contender at the time and it didn't really elevate Bret the way that a match with somebody like Ultimate Warrior, Ric Flair or Randy Savage would have done.

I agree that they fucked him over when it came to losing the title as well. Giving the title to Hulk Hogan was such a slap in the face to Bret. Taking him out of the title scene to feud with Jerry Lawler was also a bit disrespectful. The only upshot was that it all built to the Bret/Owen feud, which was the best feud of the era in my opinion.
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Old 06-10-2012, 04:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Yeah, Bret definitely got shafted by the WWF. By giving him the title in such a low key way, it implied that they were almost ashamed of him being champion. They never booked the Flair/Hart PPV rematch (which they could've done at Royal Rumble 1993 instead of rushing Razor Ramon into the title match). Getting that big PPV win would have been really good for Bret's reign. As good as his match with HBK was Survivor Series 1992, Shawn wasn't really a world title contender at the time and it didn't really elevate Bret the way that a match with somebody like Ultimate Warrior, Ric Flair or Randy Savage would have done.

I agree that they fucked him over when it came to losing the title as well. Giving the title to Hulk Hogan was such a slap in the face to Bret. Taking him out of the title scene to feud with Jerry Lawler was also a bit disrespectful. The only upshot was that it all built to the Bret/Owen feud, which was the best feud of the era in my opinion.
The reason why they didn't do Hart/Flair at Survivor Series or at The Royal Rumble was because Ric Flair told WWE almost as soon as he had won the WWE title from Randy Savage that he wanted to go back to WCW so Vince McMahon wanted to use his star power to put other people over as he did with Bret Hart and Curt Hennig. One thing thing about Ric Flair was he didn't mind putting other people over as long as he was allowed to have a long match because he wanted to look great in defeat as he often did against Sting, Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage, Dusty Rhodes and Curt Hennig to name a few.

I also remember Bret Hart saying a few times that Vince McMahon was going to book Hart/Warrior at The Royal Rumble with Bret Hart winning due to a double run in which would set up The Ultimate Warrior's feud for WrestleMania 9 but also give Bret Hart a big win over someone with serious star power. Obviously The Ultimate Warrior left WWE just before Survivor Series so that was a non starter and by then they had booked Hennig/Flair which meant Razor Ramon being thrown into a rushed feud wuth Bret Hart but was actully quite good and produced a good match.

In the space of a few months WWE lost so much star power in Hulk Hogan, The Ultimate Warrior, Ric Flair, Randy Savage as an in ring performer and Curt Hennig after SummerSlam and that is a major reason of why WWE struggled so much that year. Something you may find interesting though is that it is said that a lot of feuds in WWE in 1994 were actually written by the wrestlers themselves as Shawn Michaels and Scott Hall wrote almost all of their feud from late 1993 all the way through Survivor Series in 1994 once Kevin Nash became involved and Bret/Owen was mostly wrote or came up with almost everything that they did in their feud as well. Vince McMahon was taking a break because of the steroid scandal and everything went backwards again once he went back to running everything again in very late 1994.
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Yokozuna beating Bret Hart was bad enough at Mania IX. Hogan beating Yokozuna immediately after just made the first match pointless and disgusts me. If Hogan made Vince believe that people wouldn't be happy with a heel leaving Mania as Champion, then Bret should have retained the Title. Simple as that.

I wrote an article months ago about re-booking the entire year of 1993, including this. Bret got dicked over big time by Egomania, brother. And to make matters worse, when Bret is down, he tells Hogan to go get him, in the most cowardly way ever. Yeah, way to make the new face of your company, who is insanely over and deserves the Title, look like absolute dog shit.

But Dave, your post is perfect. Very dead on. It's funny how people were turning on Hogan, which was very evident at the 1992 Rumble. Sid eliminated Hogan and the crowd LOVED it! Then, Hogan pulls a very bitch like, heel move, being a sore loser and eliminates Sid from the outside of the ring.(Kayfabe yes, but nice hypocrisy) Hogan just couldn't handle it. He couldn't even let Savage have his moment in the spotlight at Mania 4. Had to stay in the ring with him.
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Old 06-10-2012, 04:41 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Yokozuna beating Bret Hart was bad enough at Mania IX. Hogan beating Yokozuna immediately after just made the first match pointless and disgusts me. If Hogan made Vince believe that people wouldn't be happy with a heel leaving Mania as Champion, then Bret should have retained the Title. Simple as that.

I wrote an article months ago about re-booking the entire year of 1993, including this. Bret got dicked over big time by Egomania, brother. And to make matters worse, when Bret is down, he tells Hogan to go get him, in the most cowardly way ever. Yeah, way to make the new face of your company, who is insanely over and deserves the Title, look like absolute dog shit.

But Dave, your post is perfect. Very dead on. It's funny how people were turning on Hogan, which was very evident at the 1992 Rumble. Sid eliminated Hogan and the crowd LOVED it! Then, Hogan pulls a very bitch like, heel move, being a sore loser and eliminates Sid from the outside of the ring.(Kayfabe yes, but nice hypocrisy) Hogan just couldn't handle it. He couldn't even let Savage have his moment in the spotlight at Mania 4. Had to stay in the ring with him.
For real, if Hogan made the industry thrive he also made it suck, so I say give all the credit to everyone else.

That Rumble was awesome!
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A poster on first page said Hogan maybe didn't want to drop the belt because Bret wasn't a big enough "star". Bret was super-over in 1993 and Bret mentioned in his book that he would get cheered more than Hogan, and Hogan knew that too.

End of the day, it's all Hogan Hogan Hogan.
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Im not sure, but someone should pull up the numbers of Brets main event run in 1994-95 vs Hulks wcw run and see who drew better. Im just kind of curious. But its kinda like Vince saying "we will prove our new guy will draw" while Hogan said "I can draw more, and Ill do it in another company".

Whole thing reminds me of Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre really.
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Yokozuna beating Bret Hart was bad enough at Mania IX. Hogan beating Yokozuna immediately after just made the first match pointless and disgusts me. If Hogan made Vince believe that people wouldn't be happy with a heel leaving Mania as Champion, then Bret should have retained the Title. Simple as that.

I wrote an article months ago about re-booking the entire year of 1993, including this. Bret got dicked over big time by Egomania, brother. And to make matters worse, when Bret is down, he tells Hogan to go get him, in the most cowardly way ever. Yeah, way to make the new face of your company, who is insanely over and deserves the Title, look like absolute dog shit.

But Dave, your post is perfect. Very dead on. It's funny how people were turning on Hogan, which was very evident at the 1992 Rumble. Sid eliminated Hogan and the crowd LOVED it! Then, Hogan pulls a very bitch like, heel move, being a sore loser and eliminates Sid from the outside of the ring.(Kayfabe yes, but nice hypocrisy) Hogan just couldn't handle it. He couldn't even let Savage have his moment in the spotlight at Mania 4. Had to stay in the ring with him.

Word is that they edited Gorilla's commentary at the '92 Royal Rumble, where at first when Sid eliminated Hogan he was fine with it on the live event, talking about how anything can happen. Then, later, they supposedly edited it that Monsoon called Sid a jerk for what he did.

Bringing Hogan back in 1993 was a bad move on Vince's part. It started the whole train wreck that we see of Hogan today.
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Cuz Hogan is selfish and has an ego.
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