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post #81 of 84 (permalink) Old 01-08-2013, 05:51 PM
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Re: If you were in Vince's shoes, how would you have avoided the Montreal screwjob?

Originally Posted by Yosihait View Post
Gotta ask you something- When did Russo said that?

Because in his autobiography he talks about that night and he mentions that it was a shoot.

Although a lot of stuff actually made me wonder. The whole lead up to that is so strange.
Yes, Russo said that it was a shoot and he said that it was actually his idea for the screwjob finish. Me being a big Russo fan I accuse Russo for the first time that he made something up, he made up that it was a work. He indirectly admitted it that it was a work because of all people a headwriter had an idea how to solve this difficult problem. Of course a headwriter had an idea because a job of a writer is how to end a segment/storyline.

The reason why people like Bret, HBK, Vince, Triple H and others still claim that it was a shoot is because the MSJ became bigger than intended, they wanted to create a controversial moment but it became epic so why destroy the magic? People still talk to this day about this one and look how many screwjob storylines they did afterwards in different companies and this will be part of a storyline or a "greatest moments" DVD even in 20 years
Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels know that this night they did something more memorable than any world title win, Vince knows that this made the Mr. McMahon character more believable so why ruin it? I think nobody will know the whole truth, because it will ruin one of the biggest moments in wrestling history.

The wrestling with shadows documentary was just an alibi. If you look only at the match ending it was just a confusing moment. The documentary with all the stuff before the match and the reactions and backstage stuff after the match made the fans realize what the hell happened. Without the documentary the Survivor Series match would guaranteed be voted as the match with the shittiest ending of all time because nobody would get it, thanks to the documentary it became an epic match ending and that was the intention why they did it.
The unnecessary booking, if Bret and HBK had real problems and if Bret said that he would drop the title to anybody except Shawn in Canada why the hell has WWE booked on a PPV before (Badd Blood:IYH) Bret Hart defending his title and HBK winning the #1 cont. match against the undertaker when they knew it would lead to Bret vs HBK title match in Montreal?

All the character changes of the superstars: Vince McMahon was for 20 years only a commentator and all of sudden in the late 1996 he was acknowledged as the owner, and not only that, he was a owner who was hated or mocked by many superstars like Stone Cold, DX, Bret Hart or Jim Ross so they needed a controversial moment. With Austin vs McMahon planned for 1998 and Bret already leaving this was the perfect moment.
Bret Hart, he complained the whole year 1997 how WWE screwed him in storylines. Do you think a wrestler who was screwed multiple times in storylines got screwed "for real" is a coincidence?
Vince Russo, since he became the headwriter almost every show had one worked shoot segment, MSJ was typical Russo writing.
People believing that it's real still today shows how great it was so why ruin it and admit that it was a work? If Bret wouldn't have so many problems like the stroke, loss of so many family members and the tragedy at Over the Edge what really ruined the relationship between Bret & Vince we would have Bret in WWE before 2010, maybe even in 2002 or 2003 when all the big names returned that would make more people realize that it was a work.
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Re: If you were in Vince's shoes, how would you have avoided the montreal screwjob?

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Before the match, show a backstage segment where both guys tell there respected groups to stay back because they wanted to end this on there own.

During the match someone comes out to interfere for HBK(Outlaws maybe or hhh) and Owen comes out. Tries hitting HHH with the chair but hhh ducks and it hits HBK. Bret doesnt realize and covers HBK for the one two three. Also forgot to add, make a ref bump and Shawn Michaels superkicks Bret and actually has him pinned but no ref.

Next night, Bret realizes what happens. Says he told himself the night before the match if he could not beat HBK fair and square in Canada he would retire from the wwf. Hands the belt to Shawn, raises his hand and walks out.
So you allow the guy who never lost your title to go to WCW and claim to be the WWF Champ during an intense Monday Night War. No THANKS
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Re: If you were in Vince's shoes, how would you have avoided the montreal screwjob?

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Exactly. Besides knowing what we know now, why would he want to? The screwjob led to Vince's heel turn which fostered Austin/McMahon one of the greatest feuds of all time and led to WWE overtaking WCW.

I guess he could've had Bret just drop the title to Austin, but that would've fucked up Austin/Tyson leading up to WM14 another huge factor in WWE returning to the top. Who else was an option? Undertaker I guess. I know Bret said he'd drop the title to Shamrock, but Shamrock wasn't ready at the time.

The only other option would be dropping it to another wrestler. Austin was also injured at the time and barely working so I don't think that would've really worked. Undertaker is the only viable candidate I can come up with and having him drop to HBK at the Rumble or the December PPV, but I'm pretty sure it would've been a bad idea to cancel the advertised HBK/Bret rematch 18 months in the making and piss off your fans by not giving them the match they paid for. Which could've done damage to the company on it's own. While screwing Bret did exactly the opposite.
I would have switched HBK with Shamrock and then have Shamrock put Hart in a real MMA hold and tap out or quit. Vince could of rolled into the ring with a microphone and put it to Bret's mouth while he said the words he quit.
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Re: If you were in Vince's shoes, how would you have avoided the Montreal screwjob?

Maybe I'm ignorant to the entire situation, but why couldn't Bret just drop the belt before SS. From what I understand Bret didn't want to drop the belt in Canada, not so much that he didn't want to drop the belt at all. I'm somewhat skeptical of the whole Montreal Screwjob itself.

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