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Old 06-10-2012, 01:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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1.Told Shawn he must lose to Bret or face disciplinary action?
2.Have the match end in DQ as originally planned
3.Cancel the match. Declare the title vacant instead.
4.Have Bret lose the title to another wrestler on the PPV then have him switch the title to Shawn either at the same PPV or on RAW
1. Why would Shawn Michaels have been told to lose or face disciplinary action when at that point in time he was still regarded as the top star in the company and Vince McMahon wanted to have him as top heel and WWE champion. The plan was Austin/Michaels as they were the two men who were everything that The Attitude Era was about and had Shawn Michaels not been injured we would be talking about him as a much bigger star than he was.

2. When someone is leaving you have to protect your own company and other people have lost on the way out, even Hulk Hogan lost against Yokozuna despite it not being clean. Having the match end in a disqualification still didn't protect Vince McMahon against Bret Hart showing up on Nitro as WWE champion and with the title belt.

3. Outside of Shawn Michaels no one broke kayfabe back in those days so Vince McMahon would have had to come up with some reason for why Bret Hart was stripped of the WWE title and the fact is that Michaels/Hart was the biggest match in WWE so business wise WWE needed it to happen. Due to losing to Nitro so many weeks on the spin and still struggling from how bad 1995 was financially to which they never recovered until latter 1998 they simply needed Michaels/Hart to happen.

4. As i stated above Michaels/Hart was THE biggest match they could do with Stone Cold Steve Austin still being fully buiilt up and because of the history between the two as everyone knew there was real life problems between them. I've always said that if Bret Hart wanted to look like the better person as he always claimed to be back then then he should have simply dropped the WWE title and become an even more respected man whilst Shawn Michaels would have continued to be vilified. It doesn't matter where you lose as the world was watching so it could have been in America, Mexico, Japan or Canada and the result was still always booked to be the same which was Shawn Michaels winning.
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:48 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I always wondered why they didn't just extend Bret's contract for a while. They should never have allowed themselves to be in a position where their World Champion is potentially about to take your greatest prize to a rival company. They should have dealt with the Championship problem long before it got to Montreal. Only a fucking idiot would have allowed this situation to reach the point where they had to do steal the title back from him. When they first thought about releasing Bret, they should've taken the title off of him as soon as possible - BEFORE letting him know that they weren't signing him. They should either have extended his contract until a compromise could have been met (which Bret was willing to do; as he never wanted to leave in the first place) or taken the title off of him and then released him.
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Also keep in mind Bret Hart's contract didn't expire for another four weeks after Survivor Series so your telling me in that time Hart couldn't drop the belt to Bulldog,Owen,Mankind,Vader,Taker maybe even Kane?
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I still don't understand the "Bret deserved it" stuff. It was okay for Shawn to do the same thing, but not Bret? Okay...
Shawn wasn't leaving the territory.

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I always wondered why they didn't just extend Bret's contract for a while. They should never have allowed themselves to be in a position where their World Champion is potentially about to take your greatest prize to a rival company. They should have dealt with the Championship problem long before it got to Montreal. Only a fucking idiot would have allowed this situation to reach the point where they had to do steal the title back from him. When they first thought about releasing Bret, they should've taken the title off of him as soon as possible - BEFORE letting him know that they weren't signing him. They should either have extended his contract until a compromise could have been met (which Bret was willing to do; as he never wanted to leave in the first place) or taken the title off of him and then released him.
Not really. First of all he was already signed to WCW so I don't think an extension was REALLY an option. Yeah Bret might have claimed he was willing, but if your Vince do you really trust that?

Plus I don't really think that it was that bad of an idea to keep the belt on him. They were getting one more big match out of Bret before he left. They wanted Bret to put over their top guy at the time, but Bret was being a dick about it.
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Not really. First of all he was already signed to WCW so I don't think an extension was REALLY an option. Yeah Bret might have claimed he was willing, but if your Vince do you really trust that?

Plus I don't really think that it was that bad of an idea to keep the belt on him. They were getting one more big match out of Bret before he left. They wanted Bret to put over their top guy at the time, but Bret was being a dick about it.
What I mean is, who dropped the ball and let him sign a WCW contract when he was still WWF Champion? They should've taken the title off of him (or never had him win it in the first place) the minute they decided not to renew his contract. Leaving until the last possible second like that was ridiculous.

If they wanted to get a big last match out of Bret, they could've had him drop the title to Shawn at the first opportunity (anytime between August and October) and then booked a Career Ending Match with Hart against Steve Austin.
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Default Re: If you were in Vince's shoes, how would you have avoided the Montreal screwjob?

I wouldn't. As much as Bret didn't deserve this. The only thing I would have done is let him in on it. The event sparked too much to change it.
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Default Re: If you were in Vince's shoes, how would you have avoided the Montreal screwjob?

Ah, brings back memories. It disgust me just thinking about it. Looking back, it was the right thing to do. Destroy the competition before it destroys you, and that's what happened to Bret after he left. He was never the same, and WWE took over big time. Was it right? No. But did make for good business? Yes. I'm not going to get into who screwed who because that's all documented. I will say I don't blame Bret for not doing the job for someone who disrespectfully told him he wouldn't do the same.

PS: I would have went through with changed finish: DQ on the PPV and title change on RAW, which has a bigger audience than PPV's.

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Old 06-10-2012, 03:59 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I always wondered why they didn't just extend Bret's contract for a while. They should never have allowed themselves to be in a position where their World Champion is potentially about to take your greatest prize to a rival company. They should have dealt with the Championship problem long before it got to Montreal. Only a fucking idiot would have allowed this situation to reach the point where they had to do steal the title back from him. When they first thought about releasing Bret, they should've taken the title off of him as soon as possible - BEFORE letting him know that they weren't signing him. They should either have extended his contract until a compromise could have been met (which Bret was willing to do; as he never wanted to leave in the first place) or taken the title off of him and then released him.
I've always been under the impression that Bret Hart had gone over his contracted dates as far back as Ground Zero or at least around that time so Bret Hart didn't even have to build up Michaels/Hart on Raw or even show up at Survivor Series if he didn't want to. I think that's why there was such a rush to get the WWE title off of Bret Hart as Vince McMahon kind of knew it was Survivor Series or nothing as the best Bret Hart offered was to show up on Raw the next night and surrender the title and say he can't work there anymore.

I do understand what your saying though as it should never have got to this point and the ego and arrogance of Vince McMahon really made him believe he would have been able to smooth talk Bret Hart way before Survivor Series had come around. The problem WWE had was Stone Cold Steve Austin was just back from injury then and everything was geared towards him winning at WrestleMania 14 and The Undertaker was tied up in the storyline with Kane so there were no more options but the reality was that there was nothing bigger than Michaels/Hart so that simply had to happen business wise and storyline wise as they never followed up WrestleMania 12 despite feuding with each other from late 1996 non stop without actually wrestling.
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There's nothing else Vince could have done. Bret Hart refused to do his job, and he got what he deserved.
No he did not. He was standing up to a locker room bully in Shawn Michaels. I applaud Bret for refusing to job.
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1. I would stop stirring shit up.
2. I would have gotten Shawn some counselling.
3. I wouldn't have let Bret leave.
4. I would have had arguably the greatest wrestling rivalry of all time.

This would likely have led to Bret doing the job for Shawn at SS or, worst comes to worst, Bret putting Austin over at WM14.

The downside is no heel McMahon BUT it's not really a valid reason as Vince really thought he was going to come out of that situation as a face!
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