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Old 06-03-2012, 04:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Why did WWF waste so many matches as dark matches at In Your House ???

I remember watching the first ever In Your House PPV back in May of 1995 and being really excited because it was the first time that WWE had done a small non big five PPV since Tuesday In Texas in late 1991 and at the time it seemed as it would be an exciting PPV to watch. It wasn't the worst PPV i'd ever seen as Hart/Hakushi and Razor/Jarrett were good enough matches and Diesel/Sid was what i was in a big man brawl but it wasn't until later on down the years that i realised just how many great matches were wasted as dark matches through to around mid 1997, i'll list the matches that were dark matches on each In Your House.

In Your House

Bam Bam Bigelow/Tatanka
Undertaker/Kama
The British Bulldog/Owen Hart

In Your House 2

Skip/Aldo Montoya
Bret Hart/Jean Pierre Lafitte
Undertaker/Kama

In Your House 3

Goldust/Bob Holly
Ahmed Johnson/Skip
Fatu/Triple H
Undertaker/King Mabel

In Your House: Great White North

Bob Holly/Rad Radford
Henry Godwin/Sid Vicious
Bret Hart/Isaac Yankem
Owen Hart and Yokozuna/Bam Bam Bigelow and Savio Vega

In Your House: Seasons Beatings

Savio Vega/Bob Backlund
Goldust/Duke Droese
The Smoking Gunns, Hakushi and Barry Horowitz/The Bodydonnas, Yokozuna and Isaac Yankem

In Your House: Rage In A Cage

Ahmed Johnson/Isaac Yankem
The Godwins/The Bodydonnas
The Undertaker/Goldust for the Intercontinental title

In Your House: Good Friends, Better Enemies

Stone Cold Steve Austin/Savio Vega
Triple H/Marc Mero
The Undertaker/Mankind

In Your House: Beware Of The Dog

Bob Holly/Isaac Yankem
Ahmed Johnson/Jerry Lawler
The Ultimate Warrior/Owen Hart

In Your House: Mind Games

Jake Roberts/Triple H
Faarooq/Marc Mero
Sid Vicious/Vader for the number one contendership for the WWE title

In Your House: Buried Alive

The Godwins/The New Rockers
Shawn Michaels/Goldust for the WWE title

In Your House: It's Time

Brakus/Dr X
Stone Cold Steve Austin/Goldust
Shawn Michaels/Mankind

In Your House: The Final Four

The Godwins/The Headbangers

In Your House: A Cold Day In Hell

The Road Warriors/Owen Hart and The British Bulldog for the WWE title

Now some of those matches don't matter in anyway shape or form but when you are having Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, The Undertaker and Stone Cold Steve Austin after his push had started working dark matches or the WWE title being defended in a dark match or a long drawn out feud coming to a head in a dark match it isn't hard to see why WWE struggle so much through 1995 and into 1996. I can remember the Bigelow/Tatanka feud in 1995 being a major one on screen after Bam Bam Bigelow had left The Million Dollar Corporation just as i remember Undertaker/Kama being one of the biggest feuds that year as well.

In 1996 you have first The Undertaker taking on Goldust for the Intercontinental title in a dark match and then later on in the year you have Shawn Michaels who is the biggest star and face of the company defending the fucking WWE title against Goldust in a dark match. Stone Cold Steve Austin/Savio Vega and Undertaker/Mankind were two of the best feuds outside the WWE title all year in 1996 yet they were working dark matches and then you have The Ultimate Warrior return to also work a dark match not too mention having Sid Vicious and Vader who were feuding having their number one contendership match as a dark match. All in all in 1996 all three titles were defended in dark matches over the course of the year and the biggest stars in Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart and The Undertaker all being subjected to working them as well.
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I remember seeing Undertaker vs Goldust for the IC strap when the tape of the event came out. That was a long ass time ago so I can't give a review lol

But Vince is a weird human being. Sometimes the things he does makes no sense to anyone but him. The aforementioned match definitely should have made the PPV card. If I remember that card correctly (crybaby match...) then it needed it.
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It was to draw more fans in the stands. Kinda like they do with the dark wwe title matches now at raws and stuff. Why they didnt just put them on ppv? Probably because alot of those guys werent feuding and/or they wanted to save there matches for another show.
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It was to draw more fans in the stands. Kinda like they do with the dark wwe title matches now at raws and stuff. Why they didnt just put them on ppv? Probably because alot of those guys werent feuding and/or they wanted to save there matches for another show.
Maybe but if your going to have your top feuds and biggest stars wrestle on the PPV then why not make it on the actual PPV rather than the dark match. Your still going to get the same crowd if the match is on the card or a dark match but you get much more sales in buyrates if the biggest stars, matches and feuds are on the actual card. I'm sorry but no one in this world can convince me having your top star and face of the company in Shawn Michaels defend the WWE title in a PPV dark match is a good business decision at all.
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I just looked at that list again and Sid vs Vader was on the actual Buried Alive card. I remember because I ordered it. Shawn didn't wrestle (on the card) and they had the Sid/Vader match w/ Shawn on commentary.

Sid won with a chokeslam...ahhh childhood memories.....

[EDIT: Wait I think I figured it out. Maybe he was trying out chemistry. As I mentioned above some of those matches DID happen but on either the next event or on RAW (weird).

*HBK wrestled Goldust on a Thursday Raw.
*Undertaker wrestled Goldust (who was still the IC champion) in a "Final Curtain Match" at Mind Games.
*Savio Vega/Stone Cold opened Buried Alive (IIRC)
* Marc Mero beat Faarooq for the IC strap on RAW
* Marc Mero lost the IC strap to HHH on RAW]

I don't remember the others however. It doesn't make any sense to have them as dark matches and then doing them again for television.

Ultimate Warrior, Undertaker, HBK in a dark matches? Vince was off his rocker...they weren't even on the main cards.

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Default Re: Why did WWE waste so many matches as dark matches at In Your House ???

I remember back then, WWE would air a match on their pre-PPV "Free For All" shows.

Keep in mind that In Your House was only a 2 hour PPV and majority of the dark matches they held weren't storyline driven or to set up future title matches.

Also, most of those PPV's were themed, with the highlighted match fitting in with the theme (Buried Alive=Taker/Mankind, International Incident taking place in Canada, Beware of Dog with British Bulldog main eventing). So add in that the PPV's were 2 hours, theme fitting in with the main event and that most of the actual PPV matches were storyline driven, it somewhat makes sense why certain matches didn't make the card. Especially when majority of those dark matches would eventually or had already taken place on RAW.
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I remember back then, WWE would air a match on their pre-PPV "Free For All" shows.

Keep in mind that In Your House was only a 2 hour PPV and majority of the dark matches they held weren't storyline driven or to set up future title matches.

Also, most of those PPV's were themed, with the highlighted match fitting in with the theme (Buried Alive=Taker/Mankind, International Incident taking place in Canada, Beware of Dog with British Bulldog main eventing). So add in that the PPV's were 2 hours, theme fitting in with the main event and that most of the actual PPV matches were storyline driven, it somewhat makes sense why certain matches didn't make the card. Especially when majority of those dark matches would eventually or had already taken place on RAW.
Matches that were very much storyline driven,

Bam Bam Bigelow/Tatanka
Undertaker/Kama
Undertaker/King Mabel
Bret Hart/Isaac Yankem
Undertaker/Mankind
Stone Cold Steve Austin/Savio Vega
Triple H/Marc Mero
The Godwins/The Bodydonnas
Sid Vicious/Vader
The Road Warriors/Owen Hart and The British Bulldog for the Tag Team titles

Matches that would have made the PPV so much better and boosted buyrates,

The British Bulldog/Owen Hart
Bret Hart/Jean Pierre Lafitte
The Undertaker/Goldust for the Intercontinental title
The Ultimate Warrior/Owen Hart
Jake Roberts/Triple H
Shawn Michaels/Goldust for the WWE title
Stone Cold Steve Austin/Goldust
Shawn Michaels/Mankind

The theme of the PPV could have main evented the PPV if that was so important but this is something that WCW also did in between mid 1996 and their demise as they seemed to care way too much about ratings for Nitro than their own PPV's. Back then in WWE storylines were not the greatest outside of the WWE title scene and some feuds were simply thrown together but the fact is they had some storyline and the matches worked because of it, i have never run a wrestling company nor do i ever expect to but i do know that your tv show should be used as a weekly advert to build your PPV up.
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Matches that were very much storyline driven,

Bam Bam Bigelow/Tatanka
Undertaker/Kama
Undertaker/King Mabel
Bret Hart/Isaac Yankem
Undertaker/Mankind
Stone Cold Steve Austin/Savio Vega
Triple H/Marc Mero
The Godwins/The Bodydonnas
Sid Vicious/Vader
The Road Warriors/Owen Hart and The British Bulldog for the Tag Team titles

Matches that would have made the PPV so much better and boosted buyrates,

The British Bulldog/Owen Hart
Bret Hart/Jean Pierre Lafitte
The Undertaker/Goldust for the Intercontinental title
The Ultimate Warrior/Owen Hart
Jake Roberts/Triple H
Shawn Michaels/Goldust for the WWE title
Stone Cold Steve Austin/Goldust
Shawn Michaels/Mankind

The theme of the PPV could have main evented the PPV if that was so important but this is something that WCW also did in between mid 1996 and their demise as they seemed to care way too much about ratings for Nitro than their own PPV's. Back then in WWE storylines were not the greatest outside of the WWE title scene and some feuds were simply thrown together but the fact is they had some storyline and the matches worked because of it, i have never run a wrestling company nor do i ever expect to but i do know that your tv show should be used as a weekly advert to build your PPV up.
Keep in mind 1996 was not the best year, business wise for WWE. And I doubt Austin/Goldust or even HBK/Goldust would cause more fans to say "hey, I wanna watch this".

WWE was down as a whole and like someone said earlier, certain matches not happening on PPV may have been to add incentive to people attending the shows and possibly boost VHS sales.

Again, 2 hour PPV's doesn't leave enough time for WWE to add matches and I assume the matches that made PPV were actually more important.
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Keep in mind 1996 was not the best year, business wise for WWE. And I doubt Austin/Goldust or even HBK/Goldust would cause more fans to say "hey, I wanna watch this".

WWE was down as a whole and like someone said earlier, certain matches not happening on PPV may have been to add incentive to people attending the shows and possibly boost VHS sales.

Again, 2 hour PPV's doesn't leave enough time for WWE to add matches and I assume the matches that made PPV were actually more important.
Maybe but when you actually look at some of the matches on these cards you wonder how they made it onto the card but the biggest stars and champions didn't. Austin/Goldust was at a time when Goldust had turned face if i remember right and become quite over whilst Stone Cold Steve Austin was on the back of his first match with Bret Hart was cutting probably the best promos of his career so was very hot. Shawn Michaels was WWE champion, the face of the company and the biggest star and if that doesn't make someone want to buy a PPV then you might as well not even have PPV's.

As i said it doesn't matter if matches were dark matches that were just advertised locally or on the actual card as the live crowd would still be the same because they are still going to see the matches regardless but surely PPV buyrates are more important than VHS sales or at least on par and if people know how great a match is or sees it has the biggest stars in it then they are more likely to buy the VHS but if you can't know because it was a dark match why would you even bother buying it on a guess.
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Maybe but when you actually look at some of the matches on these cards you wonder how they made it onto the card but the biggest stars and champions didn't. Austin/Goldust was at a time when Goldust had turned face if i remember right and become quite over whilst Stone Cold Steve Austin was on the back of his first match with Bret Hart was cutting probably the best promos of his career so was very hot. Shawn Michaels was WWE champion, the face of the company and the biggest star and if that doesn't make someone want to buy a PPV then you might as well not even have PPV's.

As i said it doesn't matter if matches were dark matches that were just advertised locally or on the actual card as the live crowd would still be the same because they are still going to see the matches regardless but surely PPV buyrates are more important than VHS sales or at least on par and if people know how great a match is or sees it has the biggest stars in it then they are more likely to buy the VHS but if you can't know because it was a dark match why would you even bother buying it on a guess.
I'm not talking about the VHS PPV releases, I'm talking about the VHS compilation tapes that Coliseium use to do.

There was only 1 IYH that HBK didn't appear on as WWE Champion and that was the one headlined by Taker/Mankind Buried Alive match. So, it's not like WWE didn't capitalize on their champion, he headlined the first 10 IYH PPV's.

In case you didn't know, the whole purpose of a dark match is to sell extra tickets and send the fans home happy, basically adding a bonus for those who attend the PPV. Also, I've read that some of those dark matches were taped for RAW and various other WWE programming. PPV wasn't as big then as it is now. But, WWE's secondary PPV's were getting more buys then all current WWE PPV's not named Wrestlemania.

None of us know the real reason why Vince gave away those matches but fact is, it didn't hurt him or the company and can actually be looked at as incentive for those who attend the PPV.
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