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Old 05-28-2012, 12:17 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Wow. Such a brisk debate...this is what I come here for. But I'm kind of confused about what we are discussing. I will address the things I can ascertain from looking at every page.

Point 1 (the actual topic):
I believe SCSA is overrated on the mic. I don't think he's bad or anything its just that Austin did typical wrestling promos. Later in his career he began to do humorous thing and all that but for the most part I was never blown away by a Steve Austin promo. I would say he's easily top 10 promo guys but not top 5 and definitely not the GOAT.

Point 2 (catchphrases and Rock comparisons):
Austin & Rock had two different styles. Austin was more intense and aggressive while Rock was more comedic. They both are good mic workers but neither are the BEST.

As far as catchphrases are concerned, they can be useful but some people rely on them. Rock promos have no substance w/o catchphrases. Ric Flair had catch phrases but Flair's promos have a ton of substance, Piper had ZERO catchphrases and was an awesome mic worker. Catchphrases automatically don't mean good mic worker.

Here's the hypocrisy:
Rock gets a lot of credit for his catchphrases (OMG TEH ROCK IZ DE GREATEEST!!! DA MILIONZ!!!!) Rock does most corny comedy ("hermie", "thong wearing fatty") and people swear that he's the greatest ever. Austin's promos weren't that much better or worse depending on the promo. Antics got both guys over not necessarily promo skills.

People got a kick out of Austin driving random vehicles in the arena to antagonize McMahon. When Austin got on the mic it was basic stuff + cursing & catchphrase (and that's the bottom laaaaaaaane). Austin didn't really say stupid things like Rocky but sometimes he seemed to say nothing at all.

On the flip side are we going to say Miz is a great mic worker? He has catchphrases that people say along with him ("really?" & "awesome") but to these same people he sucks, he's all catchphrases, etc but the same people they love (Rock for instance) were the same way.

Cena catches a lot of wreck for his corny jokes, but Rocky had corny jokes too. Could you imagine Cena getting away with saying "hermie"? No way, people would have a conniption if he did that. ("OMGZZ CEAN IS TURRRIBLE!!! WHAT'Z A HERRMIE?!11").

One dimensional mic work doesn't make you the best. Rock is a great mic worker (top 5) because he's entertaining but as far as what he actually says he's not top 5. His delivery is excellent, his intensity is top notch so that increases his stock but what he says, the substance is not there. The same can be said for Austin.

Guys today attempt/have to do more on the mic than either Rock or Austin ever did. Guys today have to be actors and go by scripts (even though Rock had scripts) but Austin nor Rock ever tried to emote with fans like Cena or Punk do today (and I will argue they can't). We don't really know what they can do because of all the parameters & barriers placed on them.

In my opinion guys like Hennig, Roberts, Savage & even Piper did more in 45 seconds of mic time (during their day) than Rock did in 10 mins, than Triple H could do in 30, they are truly great mic workers, however people like putting them behind catchphrase HEAVY (wrestlers can have catchphrases but Flair, Rock are what I would call "catchphrase heavy") guys.

I like the differing styles of promos. I don't want guys pretending to be Chris Jericho or anyone else when they aren't, I want guys to be themselves, whether they have a lot of catchphrases or not.
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Old 05-28-2012, 12:23 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Stone Cold is the definition of raw natural talent on the mic. Tough Enough last year only reaffirmed that he can still verbally ruin anyone when he wants to.
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Old 05-28-2012, 12:27 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I personally think he's one of the best on the mic ever. He was never better than The Rock, but in my opinion he's just behind him in terms of mic work.
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Old 05-28-2012, 12:32 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I break promos down by a few things. As far as crowd participation, the beginning, a concise ending, how captivating the promo is/entertaining it is, the actual body of the promo, etc.....

Austin, to me, was the best ever at doing this. I don't know how just last year he was one of the greatest, now AFTER the list comes out, he's overrated on here. But, look at his promos from ECW, even some of his WCW promos in the Hollywood Blonds, and then his first TWO years in WWF(1996-1997). His promos are excellent, I've never seen a bad Austin promo ever. His promos have always been in the actual context of his feud, mixed with his Southern drawl, his "Texas vocabulary", his natural charisma, his desire to push the envelope, the fact that 98 % of his promos were unscripted up until about 2002(when they started scripting everyone's promos... that still mostly stands now too) which is one of the reasons why Austin walked out I believe on top of everything else.

I know when people say guys like Flair and Piper are better than Austin, and if we're talking being around longer, sure lol... Flair is the only guy(Savage and Jake Roberts are right there too) who can hang with Austin and Rock on the mic from the "older eras". I never really saw the huge deal about Piper after 1988. Piper's character and mic skills has always been exactly the same IMO, while guys like Rock and Austin both went through character changes and refreshed their promos, etc.... But thats just MY OPINION.
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No catch phrases. No profane tirades. Just the greatest ever.

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Old 05-28-2012, 04:22 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Point 2 (catchphrases and Rock comparisons):
Austin & Rock had two different styles. Austin was more intense and aggressive while Rock was more comedic. They both are good mic workers but neither are the BEST.

As far as catchphrases are concerned, they can be useful but some people rely on them. Rock promos have no substance w/o catchphrases. Ric Flair had catch phrases but Flair's promos have a ton of substance, Piper had ZERO catchphrases and was an awesome mic worker. Catchphrases automatically don't mean good mic worker.

Here's the hypocrisy:
Rock gets a lot of credit for his catchphrases (OMG TEH ROCK IZ DE GREATEEST!!! DA MILIONZ!!!!) Rock does most corny comedy ("hermie", "thong wearing fatty") and people swear that he's the greatest ever. Austin's promos weren't that much better or worse depending on the promo. Antics got both guys over not necessarily promo skills.
I'd say Rock gets shitted on for having catchphrases. Its his biggest mic criticism. Unless you are a Rock mark people are usually running Rock down for not being good because he uses them. And yes, Rock's promo actually do have substance without the use of a catchphrase. Once again, the promo he cut before facing Austin at Mania XIX is solid proof of that.

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Old 05-28-2012, 05:12 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Nope he is not overrated
He is the GOAT
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:05 PM   #58 (permalink)
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I hate how these become comparison threads. this thread is about austin, not rock or anybody else. better or not, point is he is not overrated. he is the GOAT in my opinion and never cut a bad promo.
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