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Watched and wrote about the Savage/Lawler matches months back. The LLT from 85 is probably a top 3 LLT Lawler match.

Lawler vs Savage, Steel Cage Match (Memphis 12/12/83)



Lawler vs Savage, (Kentucky 4/9/84)



Lawler vs Savage, Loser Leaves Town (Memphis 6/3/85)



Btw if you can, try and find a link for Dutch Mantell & King Cobra vs Bobby Eaton & Sweet Brown Sugar from 7/19/82. Its a top 10 tag match for the 80s imo and absolutely essential viewing, wrote about it as well:

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Terrific shout as a 1982 MOTYC. This is classic tag team wrestling done to perfection and worked in traditional southern tag formula which is by far the greatest tag team formula. This is wild, chaotic and features a tremendous FIP segemnt as well as continuing the Mantell vs Eaton feud.

Opening 5 or so minutes of this is standard STF practice. Eaton wants no part of Mantell and does his best to avoid him from the get go, including backing further from the apron when a lock up brings Mantell closer to Bobby's corner. Sweet Brown Sugar (later known as Koko B Ware) was terrific early on eating all the babyface offence terrificly and getting some huge air on his bumps. There's a couple of great spots early on with Mantell charging after Eaton through the ring and around ringside and the highlight is probably Bobby locking up with King Cobra, being forced into Dutch's corner and then running for his life like a white man in downtown Detroit as Dutch sprints into the ring. Whilst all this is going on Cobra is dropkicking Sugar for fun and the whole match is impossible to keep track of. They continue the faces having the heel's number and Sugar being isloated as Bobby wants no part as long as Dutch is breathing and we then get a terrific miscommunication spot:

Mantell and Cobra have no love loss for one another and when Dutch accidentally rocks Cobra with a right hand they do a terrifc tease of their history getting in the way with Dutch blowing off Cobra who appears pissed and wants an explanation. Just as Bobby and Sugar are rejoicing at the prospect of the faces costing each other the match Dutch and Cobra sucker the heels and charge full sprint for their corner and once again Dutch ends up chasing Bobby round ringside who finally packs himself a chair for protection.

We then get the heel transition spot as Mantell runs the ropes only for Bobby to knee him in the back like a cheapshotting sleazeball and Bobby is tremendous here smelling blood like a shark as he gets in his kicks and punishment on a wounded Mantell. He throws some terrific punches which Mantell bumps tremendously for and we get awesome heel tag team work from Eaton & Sugar: taunting Cobra so he gets in the ring allowing them to jump in and out without tagging as well as beating down Mantell 2 on 1. Countless cheapshotting and taunting the crowd and double elbows, there's one terrific spot where they hit 3 elbows in succession and Jimmy Hart is leaping 7 ft in the air for each one . We get a failed tag as Mantell tags in Cobra but Bobby has the ref distracted as well as Mantell hitting a gorgeous sunset flip only for Bobby to boot him in the face like a smug prick.

Mantell finally makes the hot tag to a huge pop (crowd were insane during the heat segment) and Cobra comes in like a house on fire throwing rights and insane dropkicks. Eaton cheapshots Mantell again whilst he's defenceless and Mantell says 'fuck this' and picks up a friggin bullrope and swings it at Eaton as hard as he can. The ref throws the match out and Sugar takes a ridiculous over the top rope bump to avoid the bullrope, it was hilarious as was his dancing to avoid it earlier.

Terrific match which featured classic STF tag team wrestling with the faces outsmarting and outwrestling the heels early on, the Dutch vs Bobby angle being furthered at every opportunity, Sugar bumping like a freak and them managing to tie in the rocky relationship between the face tag team. No qualms with anyone ranking this MOTY for 82, fuck I may have it #1 myself.
Holy crap, I never would have dreamed that King Cobra would appear on this site.....awesome.
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Speaking of 80s tag team wrestling:

Rock 'n' Roll Express & Jim Duggan v Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd, (Mid South 6/8/84)



To the people who criticise tag team wrestling, shame on you and I hereby recommend you watch this match and kindly swallom humble pie and proceed to worship southern tag formula wrestling. This is a bloody incredible 6 man tag with one of the loudest crowds I can ever recall hearing, with an abundance of wonderful tidbits that you only get in a STF tag. Condrey and Eaton are out of this world spectacular as the Midnight Express, whether they're running the famed comedy spots where Morton proceeds to make both of them his bitch or when they're in control and resorting to every underhanded tactic to bloody and isolate Morton, its just outstanding. Morton and Duggan are both superb here as well as the babyfaces who each receive a beating and both sell their asses off in the process.

Opening is everything you want it to be. Morton playing cat and mouse with Ernie Ladd is excellent, Eaton is the perfect foil for Morton's intelligence and they run one of my favourite spots where Condrey gets dragged into the babyface corner, eats a beating and Eaton sneaks up behind Morton to cheapshot him...only to see Morton turn around and backpeddle like a weazly genius...only to then try and turn around to catch Morton off guard only to be met by a punch from an expectant Morton who knows that cheap trick all too well. Rest of the middle revolves around some really fun Duggan interactions with each of the heels, whereby his immovable frame and dominant power gets worked into some tremendously fun exchanges, particularly the spot where Ladd is unable to launch him into the turnbuckle and eventually fall victim to a double noggin also involving Condrey. Duggan then gets caught by a weapon to the throat and proceeds to eat a brief beating where the Midnight Express constantly pull the ref out of position to allow Ladd to further the assault. Anyone who just remembers Jim Duggan as an outdated catchphrase carring a 2x4 would be well advised to see how fucking well he sells and controls a crowd here, if he wasn't tagging with Ricky fucking Morton he'd have been the best babyface in the match.

However he is tagging with Ricky fucking Morton, so of course when Cornette provides a distraction allowing Morton to be launched over the ropes and onto the concrete, we then get the best part of the match where the Midnight Express run through every heel tactic to isolate and bloody Morton. Morton is hands down the best FIP in history and he's astonishingly terrific bumping all over the place from every punch and strike from the heels and pulling the crowd into everything he does, and the beating he takes is hellacious. Seriously Condrey and Eaton just constantly pull and distract the ref at every opportunity, allowing them and Cornette to double team, choke and assault Morton at every opening and them constantly taunting and provoking Gibson and Duggan into entering the ring and further distracting the ref is just fabulous heel teamwork. The Ladd and Morton exchanges continue to be stellar, with all of Ladd's power offence looking like its crushed poor Morton, and the crowd suitably respond with a mixture of shrieking and silence. Match further breaks down near the end with Morton making a desperation tag only for the Express to once again distract the ref, leading to Duggan and Gibson just fucking off the rules and kicking the crap out of the heels allowing for Morton to pin Eaton after a Cornette screwjob hilariously backfires. Post match beatdown and brawl is just amazingly chaotic, and when you put into context all the fabulous heelwork and baiting by Cornette and the Express, its just a marvellously wonderful angle built on top of an outstanding wrestling match.


The Midnight Express vs The Fantastics, (NWA 4/26/88)

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Oh my fucking god, this might just be the best tag in US wrestling history, its either this or the Final Conflict 83 Steel Cage Match anyway. Good grief everything in this match just clicked on that near perfect level, the timing, the pacing, the way they worked both FIP segments, the way the match effortlessly flowed from the babyface shine period, to the Express taking control and looking a class above to the way Rogers and Fulton started to give the crowd this feeling they weren't going to be beaten and Eaton and Lane gradually growing more and more desperate and insecure with every passing second was just beautiful storytelling.

Opening babyface shine period might honestly be one of the best ever. Not only is it tremendously entertaining and effective in getting the already rabid crowd to fever pitch levels, but it lays out a clear theme and overlapping story which dominates the next portion of the match. The Fantastics are just wonderful with their continual one-uppance in every exchange and the continued story of the Express getting shown up at every opportunity and Cornette freaking out with every time they have to re-group on the floor and plan their next focus of attack was just incredible. Eaton and Lane are tremendous comedy bumpers and really go above and beyond to make every bit of offence and schtick that comes their way just feel so dynamic and crucial that the crowd never fails to lose their shit for everything. Favourite two spots were either Rogers countering a backflip by landing on his feet and just dropkicking the Express repeatedly or the spot where Fulton catches Lane trying to climb over the ropes to enter the ring and deliberately crotching him mid-entry by shifting the ropes from the opposite corner.

Eventual transition spot is effectively timed, with the Fantastics having been given a tremendous opening in which they're proven to have the champs unravelled and scared, but still unable to put them away. Actual spot is excellent in being a cheap double team spot to illegally gain control of the match so as to get extra heat, but also in putting over just how credible and resourceful the Express are in everything they do. Rogers' FIP section is really engaging and Lane and Eaton really start to look the part as the seemingly unbeatable champs, every bit of offence is just delivered with a really sleak precision in execution and you really feel like you're watching the perfect duo sensing an impending victory and finally establishing their class in this contest. They tease and build the hot tag to Fulton as a crucial avenue in turning the tide of the contest immaculately, and the resulting flurry of offence from Fulton ending with him eating a brutal bump throat first into the guardrail was just timed to perfection. Occasionally I'm not a big fan of them teasing the hot tag only to enter into a 2nd FIP section, but here it really worked as a smart swerve with the Express managing to remain one step ahead of the Fantastics at the most crucial stage, as well as setting up for the next developing theme of the match, namely the Express proving unable to put away the Fantastics.

Lane is usually regarded as generally a step or two below Bobby Eaton when it comes to tag team wrestling, but for me he really stole the show in the final portion of the match. Cornette is up to his old tricks and together the Express exploit the ref continually in order to perform a ritual mugging of poor Fulton for what feels like an eternity, but its Lane who really sells this inner vulnerability that has been building inside the Express all match. They got outwrestled for nearly 10 minutes at the start, and now that they're in control and everything is seemingly in their control...the victory just hasn't appeared and with every kickout and act of resilience from Fulton, Lane really gets noticeably pissed and agonisingly frustrated. The moment where he just yanks Fulton by the hair and lifts him 5 feet into the air just typified his anger and vulnerability and the Express then choosing to continually assault Fulton as he's defenceless in the corner and teasing the referee throwing the contest out with every kick and punch Fulton eats to the temple was riveting. Eventually however the Express' inner frustration and anger leads to their downfall with Lane getting into a war with the referee long enough for a pissed Tommy Rogers to hit a dropkick on an unsuspecting Bobby Eaton right into a cover and the 1-2-3. I could see some people wanting Rogers to get the hot tag and then go into the finishing stretch, but for me the way they worked such a convincing false finish with the referee growing concerned with every bump Rogers took, only to have the Fantastics pull a rabbit out of the hat when it seemed the match was lost was just such an awesome come-uppance for the Express as well as a true feelgood victory for the babyfaces. Better than any WWF/E tag by a considerable margin IMO.


Watch both asap. 6 man from Mid South honestly comes to mind as the best 6 man the US has ever put on, and the Midnight Express/Fantastics tag is at worse the 2nd best tag match in US history, alongside the Final Conflict 83 Steel Cage match.
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I just realized, 1997 has arguably the two best matches of all time. Can any other year say that?
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Sure, 1989 had the Flair/Steamboat trilogy which are three of the best wrestling matches ever performed on U.S. soil. That's not to mention the house show matches they had that some people believe are better than the TV series. Not to mention FLair's classic "I Quit" Match with Funk in November. But I agree 1997 was a fine year with Taker/Michaels HIAC, Austin/Hart Submission Match, also Mysterio/Guerrero Title vs. Mask Match.
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Nice, I (sadly) haven't watched much of Flair's work pre mid 90s.

Random question for everyone: What was Vader's best WWF match? He was very underutilized during that time, but the two matches I remember everyone bringing up with him was the IYH 4 way, and vs Owen at One Night Only in 97.
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My absolute favorite Vader matches are his bouts with Sting in early 90s WCW, but for the WWF run I think back to the Final Four match which probably is his best match with the Federation overall. I also like the International Incident '96 six man tag pitting Vader/Owen/Davey Boy vs. Michaels/Ahmed Johnson/SID. I'm a fan of his Canadian Stampede '97 match with Taker. Then there's the controversial SummerSlam '96 match with Shawn.
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I never watched the Summerslam 96 match because of all the shit that went on between those 2 and the "MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE" incident that Cornette made famous. Never thought it would be any good because I always assumed those two would have shit chemistry.
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It wasn't great as Vader didn't have any great singles matches in the Federation but I think it's worth a watch. The finish has some overbooking but I thought this main event was pretty decent.
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1997, aside of Michaels vs Undertaker and Austin vs Bret, has also Cicloncito Ramirez vs Damiancito, CMLL Torneo Cibernetico, CMLL Minis 6 Man Tag, El Hijo del Santo vs Negro Casas, the two Volk Han vs Tamura matches, Eddie vs Rey and Misawa vs Kobashi, ALL are CLASSICS. And also some very good matches like Eddie vs Jericho, Fujiwara vs Tenryu, Team Austin vs Hart Foundation, Austin/Michaels vs Owen/Buldog,etc. Best Wrestling Year Ever.

I have to watch Michaels vs Vader again. I like the Canadian Stampede match with Taker. His best matches are in WCW with Sting, Flair, Steamboat (Saturday Night 1993) and Dustin Rhodes.

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Just a few oddballs (Mexico, America, Japan, Europe):



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