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Old 05-19-2013, 09:52 AM   #241 (permalink)
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Figured that these would be better posted here. I'm actually writing the Austin one for the first time, but I'm putting quotes around it to make my post look more uniform, lol.

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Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin at Survivor Series 1996





This is amazing, and would be remembered more if it weren't for their Wrestlemania classic.

Austin is awesome. I'm getting such a bigger appreciation for him as I get older. He has a cinematic quality to his heel work, that works so freakin' well with Bret's psychology & storytelling abilities. I've often felt like Bret matches look & feel and have the arc of movies sometimes, and Austin couldn't be a more fitting heel opponent for Bret's films.

I am also impressed with Austin as a wrestler. He has said that he was fearful, because he didn't know much about submission moves, but I never would have been able to tell watching this match. He does them with ease, and they look beautiful.

Bret continues his streak of impressing the hell out of me, with busting out moves and moments that you never knew he was capable of. I've always said that he was capable of flashy things and wow moments, but because he's such a crisp technician, and is known for that, people kind of notice it less with him.

But he is such a clever wrestler. I love the way he reverses one of Austin's moves into an almost Sharpshooter. This is again what separates him from the other greats. He can keep topping himself, so even something he's really known for, can have a different feel to it. It also highlights one of the things I say about him, which is that he has such an amazing flow when he's wrestling.

I freakin' love the exchange of punches twice. Working itself into a "we're right back to where we started, even though we're both f'n' knackered!" arc. It looked cinematic.

This match had all of the components. Just taking 1/4th of a star off, for the slow beginning. I don't really mind that, actually, but if Wrestlemania XIII is a five star match, then I guess I want to be thrifty here, lol. Even though this is much better wrestled.

**** 3/4


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Bret Hart vs. Bob Backlund at Survivor Series 1994


What did you all think of Bret's Survivor Series 1994 match against Bob Backlund?:
http://www.wwe.com/videos/bret-hart-...-1994-26038648


This is not the same one as the Wrestlemania match, which even Bret hated (I think he called it his worst match. He hated the concept, and said he knew the concept would make it the most boring thing ever).

This Survivor Series match that I'm talking about, is the Submission match, which involved Owen, Davey Boy Smith, & Bret's other family on the sidelines.

It's funny, because I just randomly remembered the match, because I remember really being involved in the drama as a kid. I found it riveting.

It's a bit slow for those who don't like a lot of mat wrestling, but I love the psychology, and I loved the maniacal Backlund, and the storyline behind it. Most importantly, Owen was fabulous during this.















Just another one of Bret's little under-appreciated gems.

Loved the whole buildup of the Cross-Face Chicken Wing over several months, and then how it ended up playing itself out in the match.

Vince was great on the mic. "Oh, no. THIS CAN'T BE!!"

I watched this again two nights ago, and it's funny, because I then came across a Bret interview last night, in which he said that this was one of his favorite matches! It's just weird that I totally happened across that comment.


Here's him discussing it, and it shows you what a ring general he is, and how much thought he puts into his matches, and the concepts, and execution and all of that:


fast forward to the 9:38 mark:



Also interesting how he talks about Vince having such a great wrestling mind, and being a genuine, huge, wrestling fan. That answers that thread that was started earlier, about whether Vince just cares about money solely, or does he genuinely love wrestling.


So as for the topic of this thread, I think that Bret was one of the best ring generals ever, if not the very best, and I think that's what separates him from the other elites.

He goes on to state that that's one of the reasons why he's such a big Punk & Cena fan. He said he's been around them, and they're the same way, as far as being very meticulous about directing, and making sure that things are cohesive. I don't think that they have the same great mind & vision that Bret does, but they have some of the same qualities, in terms of level of preparation, and taking it seriously.


Here's him complimenting Punk & Cena for these qualities, and he also compliments Daniel Bryan, saying that Bryan reminds him of his brother Owen. ff to the 5:30 mark:




Would have been a nice thing to post in the Bryan vs. Bret thread, if it weren't locked.


ETA: Here's Jim Ross talking about the Backlund/Bret match:
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JR, I recently rewatched Bret Hart vs. Bob Backlund's 35 minute "towel match" during the '94 Survivor Series. Wow, what a match! Bret really took a 45-year-old Backlund to the top of his game, and what a great story the match told. You just don't see matches like this anymore. What did you think of this match?

Posted: Wed, 01/20/2010 - 5:05am in Wrestling


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It was excellent but I wasn't surprised as both men are great athletes in magnificent condition plus Backlund was a great amateur in college and his pro record speaks for itself. Obviously, you know I am a Hitman fan and his in ring work was always spot on. matches like this are few and far between due to the experience and talent level of both men having the same agenda...to perform in a great, physical wrestling match.
****, in large part due to the storyline & psychology, and all of the moving parts.

Looking back, I actually think that Vince based a lot of his Mr. McMahon character on the Mr. Backlund character, as far as mannerisms and everything.
Looking back, should Bret be called "Mr. Survivor Series"? lol. He had a really nice run of Survivor Series matches for a good while.

Ditto for Summerslam, now that I think about it! Demolition, Mr. Perfect, British Bulldog, Owen Hart cage match, 'Taker...

He even carried Jerry Lawler to a good match there. Omg, he had to face Isaac Yankem at Summerslam in 1995. LMAO. And people talk about being a draw!


Gonna watch Ultimate Warrior vs. Randy Savage soon, since people have a lot of good things to say about that match.

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Hardly say Bret carried Lawler to anything. It was both playing off the talents of one another that made their feud awesome.
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Hardly say Bret carried Lawler to anything. It was both playing off the talents of one another that made their feud awesome.
I'm mainly just talking about as a worker, but you are right that Lawler's personality, and agitator abilities, definitely were a huge contributor to that feud being great.
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Lawler's in ring work too. He's a total package kind of guy.
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Old 05-19-2013, 10:24 AM   #245 (permalink)
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Lawler's in ring work too. He's a total package kind of guy.
Maybe I'm underselling him. I'm going off old memory, but maybe some of it had to do with my perception of "why is he feuding with the old guy, ring commentator?!" as a kid. Of course now that I'm older, I know all about Lawler's history, but I don't recall him standing out in the ring much during that time period (though I know that wasn't his prime). I did watch one of his AWA matches, I think with Curt Hennig, and my impressions were kind of similiar, although he did play well to the crowd and everything.

That's really not enough to accurately judge, though, and like I said, maybe my memories of his work as a kid aren't that accurate. I'll probably rewatch the match with Bret sometime soon.
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His beauty was in his simplicity. He wasn't in his prime like you said, yet he more than delivered in the matches vs Bret for me. I'm in the minority it seems where I dug all of their matches in WWF. Even the KOTR '95 Kiss my Foot match.

You aren't incorrect in stating that it was King's tremendous heel tactics that put him really over the top during the two year program. Fans hated him so much. He was such a heat magnet.
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King in Memphis is the best place to look for demonstrations of his in-ring work.
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Match/segment with Terry Funk in the empty arena. Spectacular.
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Recently watched this hidden gem from AJPW. Thought I would share it with the rest of you.



The atmosphere alone for this match is enough to keep you interested, plus it helps that it features 3 world class and highly successful wrestlers in Bockwinkel, Misawa and Jumbo.. I give this match a 4 out of 5 stars
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Bockwinkel in Japan. Awesome. I'll give that look
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