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Old 11-29-2012, 01:31 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart 60 Minute IronMan Match Nassau Coliseum- Long Island, NY 7/9/94

The match starts off with some of mid-90’s heel Owen Hart antics to get the crowd going. A good amount of stalling and complaining to the ref about getting his hair pulled (which never actually happened, of course). Owen gets himself some good heat. More hilarious Owen: Bret and Owen tied up and Owen complains about getting his hair pulled, so the ref breaks it up. Bret gets Owen in armbar, and of course, Owen pulls Bret’s hair and the ref doesn’t see it. Great heel psychology and typical Owen back then.

Lots of chain-wrestling involving the arm-bar and plenty of reversals and counters back and forth. Bret hiptosses Owen out of the ring and Owen begins to walk up the ramp to leave. Bret calls him a wuss, but it doesn’t seem to bother Owen as he continues to walk away. But he finally decides to full on sprint back to the ring right before 10. Awesome.

They get back in the ring, and Owen goes to work on Bret’s back. Little hope spot sees Bret hit the ropes and Owen hits Bret with his classic belly to belly suplex for a nearfall. One of Owen’s trademark moves that I loved. Thirty-six minutes in and Bret gains the first fall when Owen tries a sunset flip, but Bret sits down on Owen and gets the three count.

Owen gets back to work, but this time on the knee. Owen breaks out a couple dragon screw leg-whips on Bret. Owen puts Bret in the figure four, Bret gets to the ropes, but Owen moves him back to force Bret to submit. For the next fall, Owen jumps Bret at the end of the rest period and puts the figure-four on again, forcing Bret to submit. The younger Hart goes up 2-1 about 45 minutes through.

Before the match gets started back up, Owen unties the turnbuckle and throws it. Hebner goes to replace it, and Owen puts Bret back in the figure-four while the ref isn’t looking. The ref is finally back, and they start the fall with Hebner not even knowing that Owen did! Classic heel Owen. Despite this sequence, Bret would still win this fall with the sharpshooter about 54 minutes in. Tied up 2-2.

With just about five minutes left, they go full-speed ahead here. Bret piledrives Owen for a two count. DDT, another two count. Owen hits his trademark enzuigiri for a very, very close three count. Awesome finish with Owen hitting a Tombstone piledriver and headbutt off the top rope. Owen then goes for the Sharpshooter with ten seconds left! The bell rings and Owen claims victory! Unfortunately, Bret never taps out so the match ends in a draw.

Until of course, the match goes to sudden death. Very Wrestlemania 12-ish there…

Sudden Death: Owen jumps Bret from behind and puts him in a bow and arrow. Bret reverses it for a two count. After a mid-ring collision, Bret applies the sleeper. Owen hits Bret in the nuts while the ref isn’t looking. Owen puts Bret in the sharpshooter and it looks like he might tap. But finally, somehow Bret finds the strength to over-power Owen and reverses it and really cranks the shit out of Owen legs. Owen taps out and Bret wins 3 falls to 2.

Analysis: Phenomenal match. Loved seeing 1994 classic heel Owen Hart up to his old shenanigans in this match. They worked like a charm and he generated some real heat for the match. He was very close to the line of people getting frustrated at the stalling at the start, and knew exactly when to stop. Masterful. Attacking Bret during the rest period after distracting the ref by removing the turnbuckle was great psychology, too. Owen was such a great heel in 1994. These were the two best workers in the country in 1994. They worked at a strong pace and did a good job of mixing in some chain-wrestling, brawling, and getting their trademark stuff in. I strongly hope this one is on the Bret Unreleased Matches DVD next year. Call it ****1/4
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:40 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Recently started reading The Death of WCW by Alvarez and Reynolds. While I'm enjoying the information and details of day-to-day operations, I am finding the writing needlessly mean spirited and cruel.
It kind of was. I think that was due to frustration. I found that book to be more hilarious than anything. One excerpt pointing out Hogan says "dude", "brother", & "jack" about 10 times each in 1 minute had me in stitches.

Glad I found this thread. Seems like a good place for me to pimp Brian Pillman matches. Maybe I'll do the Superbrawl match vs Jushin Liger or War Games at WrestleWar '91. This is gonna be fun.
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Recently started reading The Death of WCW by Alvarez and Reynolds. While I'm enjoying the information and details of day-to-day operations, I am finding the writing needlessly mean spirited and cruel.
Id give the book 3/10 honestly. They point the finger at alot of people but didnt even try interviewing them. They also pulled some figures (attendance,merchandise sales, ticket sales..et.c) without a single source for that information. It shouldve been alot better but it was what it was.

They also put some lies in the book. I remember they were talking about Great American Bash 1999 and they made fun of it for opening with a rundown of the card. They said wcw didnt even promote what was on the show. They go into this whole ordeal about it but the thing is, WCW had advertised most of the matches for the show, they added one or two bonus matches, which they always did. Also, wcw always opened with a rundown of theere card.

Just lots of small shit like that annoyed me. I hate it because alot of these young kids on these boards who never watched wcw, read this book and think they know what the fuck is up with wcw even though the book is full of shit.
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It kind of was. I think that was due to frustration. I found that book to be more hilarious than anything. One excerpt pointing out Hogan says "dude", "brother", & "jack" about 10 times each in 1 minute had me in stitches.
Just a whole lot of hyperbole to enhance/sensationalize the writing. Like calling Greg Gagne a 'beanpole', while I understand his point about Greg not having the size for the ME push, the man was billed at 6'1" and 220 lbs. and would certainly be able to pretzelize Brian Alvarez.
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Wasn't a far-fetched statement though. Hogan's promos have generally consisted of those outlandish filler words. Moreso contained while in WCW or TNA currently.

I didn't mind it for what it was. If they were bitter or felt the need to take shots then that's simply unfortunate. Doesn't change my outlook on any of the other wrestlers or the company. We ALL know how poorly ran WCW was. It's no secret. If Bryan Alvarez felt the need to take shots any chance he got, well then he's sour about the way things went down for whatever reason. Not surprising with Alvarez either. He sees something bad and he'll beat a dead horse.
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Anyone recommend some good Arn Anderson matches? I heard his name a lot recently and was curious. In fact Four Horsemen in general.
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Here are some Double A matches from WCW which also features some quality stuff from The 4 Horsemen and The Dangerous Alliance:



Arn Anderson & Ric Flair Vs Rock 'n Roll Express – The Main Event 02/18/1990

Arn Anderson & Larry Zbyszko Vs Sting & Marcus Bagwell - WCW Pro 02/01/1992

Lord Steven Regal Vs Arn Anderson - Saturday Night 10/09/1993

Arn Anderson Vs Ricky Steamboat - Main Event 08/21/1994

Arn Anderson & Larry Zbyszko Vs Barry Windham & Ron Simmons - WCW Pro 11/09/1991

Ric Flair, Arn Anderson & Barry Windham Vs Sting, Brian Pillman & El Gigante - Main Event 04/28/1990

Bobby Eaton Vs Arn Anderson – Superbrawl 1991

Arn Anderson/Rick Rude/Steve Austin Vs Barry Windham/Dustin Rhodes/Ricky Steamboat - Pro 04/04/1992

Steven Regal Vs Arn Anderson - SuperBrawl 02/20/1994

Arn Anderson & Brian Pillman Vs Ric Flair & Sting - Halloween Havoc 1995

Arn Anderson/ Bobby Eaton/Larry Zbyszko Vs Dustin Rhodes/Barry Windham/Ron Simmons - Clash of the Champions XVIII 01/21/1992

Arn Anderson Vs Ricky Steamboat - WCW Pro 03/21/1992

Arn Anderson Vs Great Muta - Power Hour 01/12/1990

Big Van Vader & Steve Austin Vs Ric Flair & Arn Anderson - Saturday Night 11/13/1993

Arn Anderson/Ric Flair/Lex Luger/Sting Vs Hulk Hogan/Kevin Nash/Scott Hall/Sting (War Games) - Fall Brawl 1996

Ric Flair Vs Arn Anderson - Fall Brawl 1995

Arn Anderson & Barry Windham Vs Doom - Starrcade 1990

Arn Anderson Vs Big Josh - 05/02/1992

Dustin Rhodes/Dusty Rhodes/Nasty Boys Vs Bunkhouse Buck/Arn Anderson/Terry Funk/Colonel Parker (War Games)- Fall Brawl 1994

Arn Anderson Vs Barry Windham - 06/06/1992

Arn Anderson Vs Dustin Rhodes - Satuday Night 01/04/1992

Steamboat/Rhodes/Koloff Vs Anderson/Zbyszko/Eaton - Saturday Night 05/23/1992

Arn Anderson/Rick Rude/Larry Zbyszko/Bobby Eaton Vs Sting/Ricky Steamboat/Dustin Rhodes/Barry Windham - Saturday Night 02/22/1992

Ricky Steamboat & Dustin Rhodes Vs Arn Anderson & Larry Zbyszko - Clash Of The Champions XVII 11/19/1991

Sting/Koloff/Rhodes/Steamboat/Windham Vs Anderson/Eaton/Zbyszko/Austin/Rude (War Games) - Wrestlewar 1992
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That Flair/Anderson match from Fall Brawl is amazing.

Speaking of awesomely underrated workers, how does everyone here feel about Brian Pillman ? Personally, I love the guy's work and I feel he'll almost never get the due he deserves. The Hollywood Blonde's work was fucking amazing with Steve Austin, not to mention his work with Jushin Liger which I've almost ADORED. Where does he rank in terms of his era, as well as all time ?
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That Flair/Anderson match from Fall Brawl is amazing.

Speaking of awesomely underrated workers, how does everyone here feel about Brian Pillman ? Personally, I love the guy's work and I feel he'll almost never get the due he deserves. The Hollywood Blonde's work was fucking amazing with Steve Austin, not to mention his work with Jushin Liger which I've almost ADORED. Where does he rank in terms of his era, as well as all time ?


I literally plugged watching Brian Pillman matches with my brother right before I saw this post. LOOSE CANNON
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WWF Royal Rumble 1989:

Jim Duggan and The Hart Foundation vs Dino Bravo and The Fabulous Rougeaus- *** (Probably the best match of the night. Very solid work from all involved.)

Rockin' Robin vs Judy Martin- * 1/2 (Not awful but it was very sloppy and Sheri was super annoying on commentary. Just not a very good match.)

King Haku vs Harley Race- ** 3/4 (I actually really enjoyed this. Not a great match by any means but it was very good with great ring work by both men.)

1989 Royal Rumble match- *** (Not my favorite rumble but being the very first one to feature 30 men, I think they did a great job with it. )

Not a bad show at all. I give it *** 1/2 stars.
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