02-11-2009, 11:44 AM
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Re: 20 years Ago: Wrestling Observer
Originally Posted by NotAllThere
It is pretty interesting to me, but I haven't been forced to read it. I would imagine if you don't like it you could just not read it.
will do lol
02-15-2009, 02:23 PM
Asking SCOTT STEINER for Wrestling Advice
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Re: 20 years Ago: Wrestling Observer
March 1984 Observer Recap, continued
-JYD in Ft. Worth on 1/30
-Star Wars card at Tarant County Convention Center drew an announced crowd of 15,000. The building holds 12,000 and there was probably an honest 13,000 there. Main event was Adams/Sunshine over Garvin/Precious in the cage, with Adams regaining the American title in that bout. Also Flair went ten minutes with Mike Von Erich with Mike almost having Flair out with the sleeper at the end. From this Flair is to defend against David Von Erich—David gets to pick the ref and any stipulations he chooses to include. This bout is set for April.
-As an aside, notes Flair and Harley set for a ten day tour of New Zealand, Malaysia and other areas from 3/19 through 3/28 with title matches every night. Thus the DVE-Flair hype won’t begin until after Flair returns from that tour.
-Freebirds vs. Von Erichs was another Main event at Star Wars. Angle was that Kevin got beat up in the dressing room before the bout by the Birds. “Anyway, the 170-pound Superman who was to beat up on the World Champ later that night subbed for his big brother.” The ending was Kevin coming out and going berserk on the Birds, causing the Von Erichs to lose by DQ and thus allowing the Freebirds to legally return to Texas rings.
-also on the card, Super Destroyers beat Parsons and Adidas in a clean cut best of three falls bout/ Parsons ended up with Akbar for five minutes after the bout but the effects of a superplex during the previous bout allowed Akbar to have control for 4 minutes and change. The final minute saw Parsons get in a few blows while Akbar ran. JYD downed Kamala when Missing Link interfered for the DQ. JYD moved and Link headbutted Kamala and they started to go at it.
-basically the same card sold out the Freeman Coliseum in San Antonio the previous night with the one difference being Flair vs. Kevin in the Main event
-2/3 in Dallas drew an overflow crowd with Flair pinning Adams, David winning the UN title from Michael Hayes, David beating Gordy by DQ, Mike beating Buddy Roberts, Pero Aguayo beating Fishman and some other prelims. IT was the second largest crowd ever in the Sportatorium
-SD 1 won the TV title from Adias on 1/9. Adias didn’t win a single match between Christmas and that title loss and this included a pinfall loss to Ken Mantell.
-Rick Rood came in on 1/6 for the sole purpose of studying Jimmy Garvin so he could imitate him in Memphis
-Kamala vs. Kerry is about the worst thing going in WCCW right now as Kerry slams him every night and Akbar refuses to pay him the $10,000
-Kamala and Link scored an upset in Dallas on 1/13 over Kevin and Kerry. Kevin and Kerry won a rematch by DQ two weeks later
- Magnum TA and Wrestling II won the tag titles on 12/25 from Reed and Neidhart. Reed and Neidhart split a few days later in a tag match with Neidhart becoming the babyface.
-II and TA will feud with Condrey and Eaton and will lose the belts to them. TA and II may also split up. Cornette had his team tar and feather II on a tv taping to get things going
-Watts established a connection to Memphis because he was paranoid of a McMahon invasion. Lawler, Terry Taylor, Koko Ware and Carl Fergie had all made appearances. Dundee is booking the circuit but not wrestling on it
-1/20 loser leaves town 6-man with Duggan/Santana/JYD vs. Reed/Darsow/Volkoff saw Duggan lose. He is now in Florida
-Oklahoma City is the best drawing city on the circuit right now with three straight 5000+ crowds. The headliner was the Garvin-Adams feud on those shows.
-Darsow as a Russian sympathizer has come a long way and Dave regrets that he didn’t get better recognition in the previous year’s rookie of the year voting
-Watts came out on TV and admitted he was the president of Mid South. Dick The Bruiser and Jerry Jarrett were in as visitors to TV tapings
“One last note: Lots of people say bad things about the USFL. I will never do such a thing. The reason is that any organization that keeps Steve Williams out of pro wrestling is fine with me…I wish Dr. Death the best of luck in his tryout with the Denver Gold, or at least enough luck to make the team.”
-Harley Race in as a regular managed by Heenan. He would act as Nick’s policeman and eventually turn and feud with him. Notes Race apparently looks good in the AWA but says that considering the rest of the roster that isn’t surprising
-Larry Zbyszko and Bruno Sammartino Jr are expected to come in by late march
-1/15 in St. Paul was a disaster in some ways according to Dave, who then notes that “disaster” drew 11,000 people. “Considering it was the return of the Crusher, well, they will miss Hulk Hogan.”
-recaps Lanza coming down during the Mulligan/Bockwinkel brawl vs. Vachon/Crusher and convincing Mulligan to abandon his partner and reunite the Blackjacks. Crusher hit “a six decade old Bolo” for the win after that.
-other bouts saw Lanza beat Heenan in a Bunkhouse match, Saito/Ventura beat Robinson/Rheingans, Brunzell pinned Superstar Graham, and Steve Regal beat Buck Zumhofe but didn’t get the Jr. Title because he didn’t make weight.
-also notes it was supposed to be Greg Gagne vs. Sheik Kaissie but Kaissie came out and claimed a broken leg. Blackwell and Patera attacked Greg and Crusher got run into a ringpost when he tried to make the save, so “daddy Verne” made the save. “The answer to the next question is yes”, says Dave.
-notes that Ken Resnick’s ring announcing was met with “We want Mean Gene” chants, and that Gagne and Brunzel were both booed, presumably because of their connection to Verne who of course had just lost Gene and Hulk Hogan. Verne saving the day was not well received and apparently Jesse Ventura got lots of cheers.
-notes that 2/26 would have Raschke/Brunzell vs. Saito/Ventura, Regal vs. Zumhofe and Lanza vs. Race. “Should be a thrill a minute”…(my note: Wow, Dave really hated the AWA even though it seems pretty clear by how he writes this that he didn’t see much or any of it regularly. The Blackjack reunion I know was absolutely a killer moment and the fans ate it up. Nothing strange about it, just a very cool angle, especially with the hated Bockwinkel taking a terrible beating after Mulligan left.)
-1/3 in San Fran was a complete disaster drawing 1,000 for Bockwinkel-Rheingans and Vachon/Crusher vs. Saito/Ventura where Raschke interfered out of the crowd (my note—Raschke did this around the circuit in disguise and actually got held back by security in Winnipeg when he tried to make the save)
-Annual Christmas skit saw Ventura and Saito break boards over Raschke’s head (sending Raschke to Charlotte) and “Greggie” saving the day
-Blanchard won Central States title on 1/26 in KC beating Buzz Tyler
-the promotions revolving door policy made things messy was Bobby Fulton left with the TV title so Buck Robley booked himself to win the tourney for the title in Des Moines.
-1/13 in KC saw Les Thornton regain his Jr. Title beating Ron Ritchie and Bob Brown/Buzz Tyler/King Cobra over Blanchard/Kirby/Luke Graham
-1/19 saw Robley/Brody lose to the Grapplers via DQ
-1/26 saw Flair in to retain his title over Harley Race in Race’s first rematch since losing the title back to Flair in Greensboro. Also Kamala vs. Brody for the fourth time was a no DQ bout that ended up with Brody, Kamala, Friday, and Robley all brawling back to the dressing room for a No Contest. Dave heard it was very bloody
-Youngbloods supposed to be in on 2/2
-“Even stranger is the booking of Tommy Rogers. Now the Rogers Wrestling here is not the third Sawyer brother who wrestles in Georgia. (my note—huh?) Nevertheless TV announcer Rick Stewart bills him from Atlanta and says things like “I can’t believe how much he’s changes since Alabama.” The guy he saw in Alabama is the guy now in Georgia. “He’s bulked up and trimmed down and changed his looks completely”. How can one bulk up and trim down at the same time?”
-Dave eliminates Stewart from Announcer of the Year consideration…
-thinks that Tiger Mask, aka Ken Wayne, is the best guy on the circuit.
More area recaps to come including Montreal, Mid Atlantic, Toronto, Southeast, Florida, the Maritimes, and more.
03-22-2009, 12:55 AM
Asking SCOTT STEINER for Wrestling Advice
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Re: 20 years Ago: Wrestling Observer
Wrestling Observer Newsletter - May 6, 1991
Jerry Lawler won the Texas title in the title vs. title match with Eric Embry on 4/26 at the Dallas Sportatorium. This title change probably won't be recognized in Memphis because Lawler is supposed to be taking a vacation there because of neck injuries. Before the Lawler-Embry match, Lawler told the fans in Texas that he's working the match against doctor's orders because of his neck injury which is I guess because some fans in Tennessee may see the match in syndication or on ESPN.
Danny Davis won the USWA light heavyweight title on 4/23 from El Grande Pistolero (Gypsy Joe) in Louisville. This change will be recognized throughout both circuits because three nights later in Dallas, they announced to the crowd Davis had won the light heavyweight title from Pistolero.
4/26 in Dallas drew 583 as Terry Garvin beat Pistolero via DQ for over-the-top rope, Sweet Georgia Brown beat Sweet Sherri to win the USWA Texas women's title, Texas Hangmen beat Bill Dundee & Danny Davis when Dundee was pinned after J.C. Ice Baby (Jamie Dundee) gave one of the Hangmen a gimmick to put in his mask and use on Dundee, Jeff Jarrett & Robert Fuller beat Steve Austin & Tom Prichard via DQ when Austin hit ref Tony Falk with a chair, Gary Young beat Boogie Man via DQ when Embry interfered, Lawler pinned Embry in a match with the USWA title up against the Texas title. The match was in a cage. After the obligatory ref bump, Tojo Yamamoto gave Embry a chain which he used on Lawler and covered him but no ref. Jarrett then came out and punched Tojo and grabbed his briefcase. Embry climbed to the top of the cage as did Jarrett, holding the briefcase and Jarrett hit Embry with it and he fell back into the ring and Lawler pinned him. The finale was a Thunderdome match where Austin & Embry & Hangmen & Pistolero beat Davis & Dundee & Fuller & Young & Jarrett in a match where the heels managed to handcuff all the faces and were allowed to continue to beat on them until everyone on the face team juiced.
4/23 in Louisville saw Davis beat Pistolero for the title, Ice Baby beat Night Train Jackson, Dundee & Steve Keirn beat Hangmen in a non-title match, Jarrett & Fuller beat Prichard & Austin and Eddie Gilbert DDQ Embry.
4/22 in Memphis drew 1,500 as Davis pin Jackson, Pistolero beat Brian Christopher, Ice Baby pinned Uptown Bruno in a match with Ice Baby's hair against Bruno's $1,000 with Bill Dundee as ref when one Hangman distracted Dundee and the other Hangman interfered, Hangmen no contest with Keirn & Dundee for the tag titles, Fuller & Jarrett beat Prichard & Austin, Embry beat Gilbert in a chain match when Embry blew Kabuki mist into Gilbert's eyes and Fuller & Keirn & Jarrett & Dundee went to a no contest with Ajustin & Prichard & Hangmen.
Austin is leaving for WCW shortly.
Several other guys were fired as the group is trying to cut costs. The departed include Bruno and Jackson, while Keirn went back home to Florida after finishing his three-week run.
Keirn was "injured" on TV on 4/27 when he had a singles match against Austin and the Hangmen jumped in and they gave him a double stuff pile driver on the floor.
Hangmen then had a television match against Davis & Gilbert in which both falls ended with a ton of faces and heels both interfering to push the 10-man Texas Brawl anything goes street fight match on 4/29. . . 4/29 in Memphis has Gilbert & Dundee & Davis & Fuller & Jarrett vs. Hangmen & Austin & Prichard & Embry plus the undercard has Davis vs. Hangman Psycho, Dundee vs. Hangman Killer, Fuller vs. Prichard (both men are vowing to bring in loaded boots after Prichard put a gimmick on his boot to bloody up Fuller on television), Jarrett vs. Austin for the Southern title and Embry vs. Gilbert in a Texas Death match with two referees.
The first USWA spot show in Texas in many months took place on 4/27 in Ennis, TX and drew less than 100 fans.
On the Dallas TV show, J.C. Ice Baby acknowledged that Bill Dundee was his father, but it was something that slipped out rather than planned. It's never been said in Dallas about the relation between the two. Later in the show, when Dundee did an interview, he never even brought up the subject and it appears it was just a situation of someone getting confused when they are wrestling with two different story-lines per week.
Dundee & Davis did say that the reason Ice Baby hadn't been around was because they had gotten him suspended from the USWA these past few weeks.
5/3 in Dallas is a Cinco de Mayo celebration (Cinco de Mayo, or May 5, in Mexican independence day) with all seats $5 with Austin & Prichard vs. Fuller & Jarrett in a street fight, Jarrett vs. Embry for the Southern title with both men being allowed to bring one weapon of their choice into the ring and they flip a coin and the winners' weapon is put on a pole and whomever can get it off the pole can use it, Pistolero vs. Terry Daniels (remember Private Terry Daniels from the WWF in 1984?), Young & Garvin vs. Embry & Boogie Man, Dundee & Davis vs. Hangmen in a double chain match and three Lucha Libre matches including a six-man tag in which the winning team is to get "14,000 pesos" but none of the Luchadores are famous, in fact one is Chico Torres.
05-26-2009, 07:17 PM
Asking SCOTT STEINER for Wrestling Advice
Join Date: Oct 2006
Re: 20 years Ago: Wrestling Observer
Jumping around a little bit
Wrestling Observer Recap -- 11/12/84
*Scary photo of Brody posing in Samurai gear w/ swords.
Pulling no punches
*Dave announces that he's accepting end of the year award ballots for various categories, including Top 50 wrestlers. There are 37 categories in all. (It must've been a bitch to tabulate all of these).
Mr. Mike’s Mondo Wrestling
*Highlights how an entire month has gone by without an AWA defection to the WWF.
*Eddie Sharkey is back in the AWA. His jump to the WWF lasted all of about one month. Apparently, Wally Karbo called Ed and asked what it would take to get him back. Ed said freedom to run his school and a couple hundred bucks a week to referee. Apparently he left a lot of money on the table at WWF, but was not paid what was promised to him by McMahon on at least one occasion. He also apparently didn't have a written contract w/ WWF.
*10/21 AWA Card in Twin Cities was a success. A tag-team battle royal, Blackwell/Brody in a lights out match and Road Warriors/Fabs drew 17,000 and $165,000, this after drawing only 3,000 six weeks ago. Hennig/Bockwinkle 20 minute draw was praised for best work rate.
*WWF drew about 8,000 on 10/28, headlined by Hogan beating Studd by DQ. Apparently, Hogan was legit injured, but the match wasn't all that bad. WWF announced the next MN card will feature a 20-man Turkey Tournament with the winner crowned Turkey of 1984. 20 wrestlers get in a cage and the first to escape wins. The last one in is the Turkey. George Steele will also face Mad Dog Vachon (anyone have a tape of that disaster?).
*Mike and a partner have a radio show and recap their recent on air chat with Baron Von Raschke. Von Raschke says there are only two wrestling organizations, AWA and NWA, knows nothing about an NWA/AWA title unification bout, and stammers around questions about the WWF.
*Mike stresses that the wrestling war in the Twin Cities should not be viewed as good guy Verne vs. bad guy Vince. In his opinion, they're both bad and thinks if Vince fails in going national, Gagne will give it a try. Gagne has made moves in Vancouver and appears to be arranging moves in Dallas and Los Angeles. Bob Backlund offered to help Verne book some NE shows but Verne told him he'd do it himself.
*The next couple of pages feature various newspaper article reprints. Two focus on the wrestling war and one is a letter wondering if Maple Leaf wrestling is turning kids into racists. Dave liked the letter, saying that wrestling is relying more and more on over the top antics to draw fans, and might be, in fact, losing more fans than they're gaining. There was also a reprint of a Ric Rude puff piece. In it, Jerry Jarrett states that a "headliner can gross up to $50,000 annually."
*Results are given from Japan TV.
*Most letter writers don’t think Hogan should be considered for wrestler of the year. (I think Dave listed him as No. 2 in the last issue because of his impact).
*Lots of love from letter writers for Dynamite Kid (does a good Dynamite Kid comp exist?)
*Most main eventers will be touring Japan in November so main events will be battle royals in most towns.
*10/22 MSG drew 20,000 with the only good match being Valentine/Santana. Studd legit hurt Hogan's knee in the main event after a failed neck drop off the ropes. Hogan missed his next three matches. Dave isn't sure of the severity of Hogan's injury, but hears Hogan has to be on heavy medication before his matches anyway so he can perform. Next MSG will be headlined by Piper/Tonga Kid. Dave likes what he's seen of Tonga so far.
*Snuka should be released from "wherever they have him in upstate NY" by the end of the month.
*Rumors swirling of Hogan losing the belt soon so he can go to Hollywood full time appear to be false.
*Mike Sharpe was fired after refusing to job to Tonga Kid.
*Meadowlands drew 7,900; Nassau Colliseum drew 7,000; Philly Spectrum drew 18,000; Chicago drew 6,000; Atlanta drew 1,900 at the Omni; Ohio drew 2,100 for what turned out to be mainly a no-show card. Probably no more TV tapings in St. Louis, just Poughkeepsie and Canada. Los Angeles drew 8,000; Oakland drew 3,800 (Dave called the Hogan/Steele main event the worst main event he's ever seen); Sacremento drew 1,500; Kansas City drew 5,200 and St. Louis 7,000 -- far outdrawing the NWA. Hogan didn't show in St. Louis because of his knee injury and fans were actually offered refunds. This baffled Dave as the WWF never offer srefunds for no shows. The show also featured an in-ring Piper's Pit with Piper using racial slurs against JYD, causing some fans to walk out.
*WWF TBS show cut to one hour. Dave thinks they may be off TBS soon.
* A large group of defectors from New Japan, led by Riki Choushu, should debut on 1/2.
*Michael Hayes is touring Japan and rumors are swirling that he may be out of the WWF.
*Sketchy report that UWF prez Nobuo Urata was arrested in Tokyo for threatening to murder Satoru Sayama’s (Tiger Mask) business manager.
*This group is drawing well by pitting Japanese workers against Japanese workers wrestling strong style. Americans are not getting main events because they can’t wrestle strong style.
PRO WRESTLING USA
*This is a group led by Eddie Einhorn, Gagne, Crockett and Jarrett. Obvious goal is to team up and fight McMahon.
*Second TV taping was held 10/9 in Spartenburg, SC. The first actual TV broadcast wash shown 10/27 w/ Solie and John Heath doing voice overs in the studio. Dave didn’t like this approach. Overall, Dave thought show was ok, but too many jobbers.
*Dave thinks the talent is good, but they’re showing too many wrestlers. He thinks they don’t need to try and build up 50 guys to compete with Vince, only a couple of main guys and solid under cards. Dave thinks they’re making some of the same mistakes Vince makes and they’re trying to fight Vince on his own terms, which will not work.
*No word on a first live show. Dave thinks they will have trouble finding arenas in NY and the NE because McMahon is running more NE arena shows to block their efforts.
*There has been some talk about having a tournament of champions featuring Flair, Martel, Colon, Bockwinkle, Rhodes, Funks, Race and Backlund.
*Don Muraco, fired by Vince, showed up here.
*Tm Brooks is hot as a babyface.
*Dave says Voodoo Malumba may be the worst wrestler in the world (I think this is Ron Reese, right?)
*Road Warriors worked as faces, getting beat up the whole match and then making a comeback. Dave says this will kill the Warriors. Fans like to see them come in and dominate instead of the traditional face comeback after getting beat up the rest of the match.
*It was announced on TV that Randy Savage is coming in, but Dave thinks it won’t happen because Joe Blanchard won’t take Lanny Poffo too.
*Things continue to slide downhill since the Freebirds left.
*Shows include lots of blood, which young female fans drawn in by the Von Erichs and Freebirds do not like.
*10/27 Cottonbowl Card drew 6,000, the lowest Star Wars attendance ever. Butch Reed hobbled through a match three weeks after knee surgery.
*Wrestling Bear came through the circuit.
*10/1 in New Orleans drew a full house.
*Cornette lost his hair on 9/3, but another match involving his hair was scheduled for 9/9. Dave said Paul Boesch had a communications problem with reality. They flew in some jobber, billed him as Cornette’s cousin, and shaved his head instead.
*Mid South is easily Dave’s favorite U.S. circuit. He says it has a good stable of workers who are well matched up, an excellent TV show, an excellent commentator (Watts), good work rates and good angles. They also attack the WWF, but not by putting down the wrestlers. Instead they criticize the work rate and circus atmosphere, which Dave thinks are legit criticisms.
*Dave thinks 11/11 in San Fran should draw with a tag team battle royal and Brody/Blackwell. If it doesn’t, AWA should just give up on San Fran.
*Rumor is someone has booked the Olympic Auditorium in LA in 1985. Dave says it could only be Fritz or Vern and that both should not even bother trying to fight Vince in LA.
*Cold war between Fritz and Vern continues. Both keep threatening on TV to run shows in the other’s territory but haven’t booked anything yet.
*Lots of no shows recently (further evidence why Verne is not the “good guy” in the war).
*Most recent Chicago card drew 8,300 compared to 6,000 for WWF.
*Terry Funk came out of retirement, teamed with Dory and DDQ w/ the Road Warriors.
*Ric Rude turned babyface after a split with King Kong Bundy and Jimmy Hart. Dave was surprised because Rude isn’t a good worker but was an effective obnoxious heel.
* Dave has been disappointed in this region. He says it’s known for its strong action, but it has been lacking recently. He even said the WWF has been putting on better cards (a major insult).
*Says Randy Savage is a great worker, but is unreliable.
*The Guerrors, Dick Slater, Billy Jack and Jay Youngblood have recently disappeared.
*10/27 Miami had the NWA with an outdoor show headlined by Flair/Graham. The WWF was also in town and led with Hogan/Volkoff. NWA outdrew WWF easily, but the crowd was still down.
*Solie is building up Graham as the only man that has a chance to hold all three major world titles (AWA, NWA and WWF). Apparently Solie doesn’t realize that Graham has never been AWA champ, which causes Dave to rip Solie some more (he rants against Solie at least twice an issue).
*There’s a supposed merger between Ole in Georgia, Crockett, and Jarrett. Dave thinks it’s more of a talent share agreement, which will backfire as always.
*Later Dave reports that Jarrett and Crockett have bought out Ole, but Ole is still in the decision making chain, which will hurt everyone. (Dave hates Ole as much as Solie). He says someone besides Ole must’ve booked the most recent TV show because it was actually good.
*10/14 at the Omni drew 3,500.
*Thunderbolt Patterson had sued Ole’s current and old companies for discrimination, preventing him from working. Dave thinks T-Bolt was discriminated against because he’s a terrible worker, but thinks Patterson raises some good points, such as black wrestlers having to play stereotypical roles.
*Talks of going into Cleveland and Pittsburgh to battle Vince.
*Dave hates that Dusty/Flair for Starrcade is being billed as a $1 million match and says the fact that Dusty is in the main event ruins any chance of Starrcade ’84 being as good or successful as ’83.
*Neither Dusty of Flair will play heel in the match, but Dave thinks it will still draw in Greensboro. He’s not so sure it will draw in the 10 arenas where it’s being close-circuited in the Carolinas. 7,100 attended a Starrcade rally to announce the main event on 10/6 in Greensboro.
*Dave thinks Mulligan and Windham jumped to WWF because Windham was never seriously considered for the Starrcade main event w/ Flair.
*A recent show in Greenville drew 3,000 and started at 8:10 p.m. and ended at 9:30. (Yuck).
*Further in the report, Dave sees Starrcade shaping up as: Flair/Dusty, Wahoo/Fernandez, Valiant/Jones, Bass-Bart/Steamboat/????, Slater/Blanchard.
*Speculation that Baba in Japan will sign Andre the Giant away from McMahon. Dave doubts it.
*Road Warriors appeared on Japanese TV for the first time on 10/20. Dave thinks they won’t go over well in Japan live.
*Flair pinned Mr. Olympia every night for a week during a Southeast run (anyone have any of these matches on a comp?)
*Dave thinks that Bruno is still pissed at WWF despite being back. He never contributes anything during his announcing gig w/ McMahon and only gives one sentence answers when Vince asks him anything.
*Dave thinks that John Studd can out-bench press anyone in wrestling or pro football.
*WWF drew 300 on 10/23 in Louisville (ouch).
*Sheephearders are leaving Southwest. Luke Williams got an offer to book in Puerto Rico.
*Dave says it only took 17 days in the WWF before Windham’s work rate deteriorated.
*Mike Rotundo jumping to WWF. Dave doesn’t think we’ll see many more jumps because McMahon probably has everyone he wants. People like Flair have something tying them to the NWA.
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