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Ok, I thought this could be pretty cool to do, how about a Wrestling Forum's 'Battle Of The Talents' thread ... basically I will pair up two talents for discussion along with a list of points it takes to be a wrestler and then we talk in regards to these and the strength's of the talents above, for example when I list 'Promo Work' ... you'll talk about who you feel is the better out of Davey Boy and Jacques and explain why for each category etc..

So here goes, this one is in regards to :

The British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith vs The Mountie Jacques Rougeau

1. Promo work?

2. In ring work?

3. Charisma?

4. Gimmick?

5. Attire?

6. Contributions to the business?

7. Moveset?

8. Tag Team involvement?

9. Agility?

10. Strength?

11. Selling the moves?

12. In ring psychology/storytelling?

13. Conditioning? (IE not getting gassed)

14. Technical ability?

14. Execution of moves?

15. Believability?

16. Overall superstar appeal?

17. All round chemistry with talents?

18. Overall winner?


I thought this would be pretty good really, so just talk about who you feel is the best in each category out of the two and why
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Default Re: Wrestling Forum's : Battle Of The Talents - British Bulldog Vs The Mountie

Am a bit biased towards BBD

1. Promo work?
-Mountie

2. In ring work?
-Mountie

3. Charisma?
-Tie

4. Gimmick?
-Mountie

5. Attire?
-BBD

6. Contributions to the business?
-BBD (SS)

7. Moveset?
-BBD for that damn suplex and the standing front somersault or whatever it was called.

8. Tag Team involvement?
-Mountie

9. Agility?
-BBD

10. Strength?
-BBD all the way

11. Selling the moves?
-Mountie

12. In ring psychology/storytelling?
-Mountie

13. Conditioning? (IE not getting gassed)
-Mountie

14. Technical ability?
-BBD

14. Execution of moves?
-Mountie except for suplex and the somersault thingy.

15. Believability?
-BBD

16. Overall superstar appeal?
-BBD

17. All round chemistry with talents?
-BBD

18. Overall winner?
-BBD

That would be my preference.
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Am a bit biased towards BBD

1. Promo work?
-Mountie

2. In ring work?
-Mountie

3. Charisma?
-Tie

4. Gimmick?
-Mountie

5. Attire?
-BBD

6. Contributions to the business?
-BBD (SS)

7. Moveset?
-BBD for that damn suplex and the standing front somersault or whatever it was called.

8. Tag Team involvement?
-Mountie

9. Agility?
-BBD

10. Strength?
-BBD all the way

11. Selling the moves?
-Mountie

12. In ring psychology/storytelling?
-Mountie

13. Conditioning? (IE not getting gassed)
-Mountie

14. Technical ability?
-BBD

14. Execution of moves?
-Mountie except for suplex and the somersault thingy.

15. Believability?
-BBD

16. Overall superstar appeal?
-BBD

17. All round chemistry with talents?
-BBD

18. Overall winner?
-BBD

That would be my preference.

Cool, would have been great if you'd have given a bit more explanations but great either way, appreciate the input
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1. Promo work?
The Mountie was pretty funny while Bulldog was more sincere, so it's hard to say who's better. I'm opting for the Mountie, though, because he used to make me laugh.

2. In ring work?
Difficult. Both had great matches but I guess I'm gonna say Bulldog because I can remember more of his matches being good, whereas I remember a lot of quite short, quite shit Mountie matches.

3. Charisma?
Again, difficult. Opting for the Mountie, though. Made me laugh a lot and had a natural gift for comedy.

4. Gimmick?
Bulldog's gimmick was just being British, wasn't it? Still, it worked for him.

5. Attire?
Bulldog. He looked pretty tough.

6. Contributions to the business?
Definitely Bulldog. He was the face of WWF on Sky Sports in the early 90s.

7. Moveset?
Bulldog. That delayed vertical suplex was tight!

8. Tag Team involvement?
Preferred the Rougeaus.

9. Agility?
Apparently Bulldog was a bit of a sandbag at Summerslam 1992. The Mountie wins for being fluid!

10. Strength?
Bulldog, obviously.

11. Selling the moves?
The Mountie was good at selling. He had good facial expressions.

12. In ring psychology/storytelling?
Tough. Not really sure. I'll call it a tie.

13. Conditioning? (IE not getting gassed)
I'm going to say the Mountie.

14. Technical ability?
Bulldog. I think. Looked solid.

14. Execution of moves?
British Bulldog. They looked like they hurt!

15. Believability?
British Bulldog. The Mountie was cartoonish.

16. Overall superstar appeal?
British Bulldog. He was really popular in the UK - if they'd given him the WWF title in late 1992, the WWF could've ridden out the decline in business by staging more PPVs in Europe and the UK: they could've filled stadiums like Wembley in 1992-1992 if they'd put Bulldog on top for a while. Bulldog/Hogan for the WWF title at Wrestlemania IX (if they'd staged it anywhere in the UK) would've been huge.

17. All round chemistry with talents?
British Bulldog, I think.

18. Overall winner?
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1. Promo work?
Mountie was your typical obnoxious heel ('The Mountie ALWAYS gets his man hahaha!') while Bulldog was humble and introvert in his face run. His promo skills on the whole were mostly awful though, but the 'COS I'M BIZARRE' comment at Royal Rumble 97 was CLASSIC.

2. In ring work?
Bulldog every time, although Mountie was definitely no slouch.

3. Charisma?
Bulldog didn't really have 'that' aura about him, but he was just a very likeable guy. Mountie was great as a heel, but a pity there were many other heels around at the time just like him.

4. Gimmick?
Bulldog didn't really have a gimmick - he was..well...he was British. The Mountie gimmick on the whole was pretty corny, but I guess Billionaire Vince thought kids couldn't pronounce 'Jacques Rougeau' properly.

5. Attire?
Bulldog's was great, although the hair had to go! Mountie's was nice, made him stood out.

6. Contributions to the business?
Bulldog at one time was legit one of the greatest wrestlers in the world. I think he contributed more on a grander scale than Rougeau.

7. Moveset?
Bulldog was all about the power and quickness (man he was quick as a flash) while Mountie was about your typical heel manouvres with a few suplexes and crowd baiting thrown in.

8. Tag Team involvement?
Never really dug The Fabulous Rougeaus but The Quebecers in 1993-94 were fucking AWESOME. One of the most underrated teams of all time. Bulldogs were powerhouses, but I preferred Bulldog's team with Owen in 1996-97.

9. Agility?
Bulldog was extremely agile for a man his size. Watch him do effortless front flips in his matches around 1997. Mountie never really made my world shake but he did what he did I guess. Meh.

10. Strength?
Bulldog of course wins by a mile.

11. Selling the moves?
Both sold the moves tremendously. Bulldog in particular was a great seller. He learned from the best after all I suppose (his bro-in-law).

12. In ring psychology/storytelling?
Man, so many questions! Ehh...Bulldog I guess.

13. Conditioning? (IE not getting gassed)
Bulldog again, although Mountie could go a long distance.

14. Technical ability?
Bulldog.

14. Execution of moves?
Bulldog.

15. Believability?
Fuck me. Bulldog.

16. Overall superstar appeal?
Bulldog Bulldog Bulldog.

17. All round chemistry with talents?
Bulldog had insane matches with everyone from the Hart Family, and HBK. Mountie never really had any barnburners that I could recall (well, in The Quebecers there were a few) but he never really had any 'stinkers'.

18. Overall winner?
Bulldog by quite a margin.
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1. Promo work?
Mountie. No contest really. The Mountie cut awesome heel promos.

2. In ring work?
Bulldog. He was a great all rounder and could do some amazing stuff in the ring. Mountie was a solid worker.

3. Charisma?
Bulldog. Although The Mountie was better on the mic, The Bulldog had way more X Factor and star power.

4. Gimmick?
Mountie. Bulldog was just himself really.

5. Attire?
Bulldog. Loved his attire in the early 90's. He looked really cool.

6. Contributions to the business?
Bulldog. One of the most valued and decorated workers ever. He should have got one transitional WWF Title reign in the 90's.

7. Moveset?
Bulldog. He was one of the best power wrestlers ever with a sick power moveset. He had some amazing aerial moves too.

8. Tag Team involvement?
Bulldog. He was in The British Bulldogs, Allied Powers and that amazing team with Owen Hart in the mid 90's

9. Agility?
Bulldog. Amazingly athletic for someone so built.

10. Strength?
Bulldog. Scary strong.

11. Selling the moves?
Mountie. He was a great heel and a great seller.

12. In ring psychology/storytelling?
Probably The Mountie. He was such a good heel and knew how to get heat.

13. Conditioning? (IE not getting gassed)
Mountie probably had better stamina.

14. Technical ability?
Bulldog. Great technician as well as a powerhouse.

14. Execution of moves?
Bulldog. His moves always looked really cool.

15. Believability?
Tie. Both played their roles really well.

16. Overall superstar appeal?
Bulldog. One of the most over faces of the 90's and a huge draw in the UK.

17. All round chemistry with talents?
Tie. Both were versatile talents who could put on good matches with most wrestlers.

18. Overall winner?
Bulldog. The Mountie was great but I think Bulldog was better.
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1. Promo work?
Easily the Mountie for me. Bulldog really wasn't a great talker. Jacques was always far more confident and colourful in his various guises.

2. In ring work?
Both were decent, but Bulldog's more extensive catalogue of matches speaks for itself.

3. Charisma?
You'd think Bulldog given his greater success, but I'll go with Jacques.

4. Gimmick?
Mountie had a more clear-cut gimmick. As others have said, Bulldog was just Bulldog.

5. Attire?
Bulldog's Union Jack attire was always pretty sweet. Proper wrestling gear too unlike Mountie's more cartoonish getup.

6. Contributions to the business?
Bulldog. He was more prominent over multiple eras and had a bigger part to play in establishing key stars through the years.

7. Moveset?
Gotta give this to Bulldog, very quick and light on his feet for a powerhouse, and had a more varied moveset.

8. Tag Team involvement?
Both were involved with some decent tag teams, but the British Bulldogs trump anything Jacques was involved with so I'll give the nod to Davey Boy. He and Dynamite Kid were awesome.

Feel like mentioning though I watched the Quebecers versus Bret/Owen at RR94 for the first time last night. Absolutely loved that match.

9. Agility?
Bulldog.

10. Strength?
Definitely Bulldog. His main appeal.

11. Selling the moves?
Struggling to say off the top of my head, I'd probably have to rewatch more.

12. In ring psychology/storytelling?.
Given Bulldog's superior catalogue of matches I'll assume him.

13. Conditioning? (IE not getting gassed)
Bulldog had surprisingly decent cardio for such a big swollen Roidy McGoo (thanks OSW), but Mountie seemed pretty good on this too. Maybe there are some Rumble marathon stats that could give a bit more of an indicator?

14. Technical ability?
Bulldog

14. Execution of moves?
Bulldog was always so convincing and forceful in his slams and suplexes etc.

15. Believability?
Mountie was more OTT which is probably more entertaining for some, but in terms of 'believability' I'll go with Bulldog. He really was a powerful dude.

16. Overall superstar appeal?
I think Bulldog had more of an international appeal certainly.

17. All round chemistry with talents?
Bulldog's more extensive career speaks for itself.

18. Overall winner?
Looks like Bulldog then, but I really liked Mountie too. Two goodies.

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Loved Jacques and merely liked Bulldog a lot but I'm guessing Bulldog takes this. Let's find out....

1. Promo work?

Mountie all the way. Bulldog was pretty bad on the mic outside of his hilarious 1997 Royal Rumble phrase. Mountie was a natural with the microphone. You just got the feeling he loved being a heel.

2. In ring work?

Bulldog but it's not as lopsided as one might think. Still, Bulldog's better matches smoke Mountie's best.

3. Charisma?

Mountie had a great quirky sort of heel charisma. Bulldog was never the most charismatic guy around.

4. Gimmick?

Mountie. Rougeau Brothers ruled as well. Bulldog never had much of a gimmick.

5. Attire?

Bulldog wins a tight one. I liked his Britain themed pants and tassles. Rougeau Brothers had cool outfits. Mountie outfit was fine for the gimmick but why did he keep the Mountie look when The Quebecers were "not the Mountie's?"

6. Contributions to the business?

Bulldog wins easily. I love Jacques, but even a guy like IRS probably contributed more.

7. Moveset?

Bulldog in another squeaker. He had nice power stuff and a surprising amount of athletic maneuvers, particularly in his younger days. Mountie had so-so offense until he became a squash match king with The Quebecers. Still, it's not enough to put him over Bulldog.

8. Tag Team involvement?

Mountie
in the first 'upset.' Mountie was in two of my Top 5 all time favorite teams. Bulldog was only in one. Fwiw, it goes....1. Midnight Express 2. Brainbusters 3. Owen & Bulldog 4. Quebecers 5. Rougeaux

9. Agility?

Bulldog
was really spry in his younger days and showed good agility even in his roided to the gills phase.

10. Strength?

Bulldog
in a landslide.

11. Selling the moves?

Mountie
gets the nod. I don't remember Bulldog being a particularly outstanding seller outside of the Michaels match in England. Mountie was always selling the hell out of simple stuff and going into his corner to get hugs from his partners.

12. In ring psychology/storytelling?

Push
Mountie is one of my favorite heels ever but Bulldog was a fine face and heel who had some great story-based matches.

13. Conditioning? (IE not getting gassed)

N/A
It's easy to lean Mountie based on what Bret says about Summerslam 1992 but I won't do it.

14. Technical ability?

Bulldog
I guess.

14. Execution of moves?

15. Believability?

16. Overall superstar appeal?

Bulldog for all three


17. All round chemistry with talents?

Not sure


18. Overall winner?

Bulldog
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Looks like good 'ol Davey Boy is getting this one, I guess it is quite hard because Jacques was so good at what he did ... I but there is no denying how good Davey Boy was and he was awesome too, another who probably should be in the Hall Of Fame be it as The British Bulldog or with Dynamite Kid as The British Bulldogs, but he definitely put the UK on the map in the wrestling world, no doubt about it.
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