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Old 01-11-2014, 06:13 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm not quite sure what you are refering to???

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at this time valentine was working more the style like rogers. later in his career valentine started to pound on his opponents and wouldn't fly around in his bumps. a good example was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1sVGHTVaRg

now that's against a young tom jones, who was a light heavyweight but the only difference was that for bigger names valentine would bleed and take a little more punishment. the bend the opponent back and pound their chest with the forearm and those short punches to the gut were valentine signature moves.

not much footage of a later valentine is on youtube unfortunately.
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I came back as a full time fan around 1998/1999 to around 2005. I LOVED the WWF then - Stone Cold, Undertaker, Kane, Mick Foley, etc., etc. I went to way more live shows including Smackdowns, Raws, WWF House Shows, WCW NITRO, Indy matches, with my son than I ever attended as a kid back in the day. It was GREAT!

However, the truth be told, nothing can compare to the Golden Age of Wrestling which I consider lasted from 1950 to around 1965, despite what Wikipedia might say. It was just something indescribable that these video clips can only convey partially.

I remember when I showed my son a video of the Rogers-O'Connor record breaking NWA World Championship match in Comiskey Park. Being brought up on WWF and WCW I didn't think he would like it. However, he sat through the entire 30+ minute match without taking his eyes off the screen. When it was over he commented, "Pop, so some of the matches were for real back in your day." I think that says it!

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at this time valentine was working more the style like rogers. later in his career valentine started to pound on his opponents and wouldn't fly around in his bumps. a good example was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1sVGHTVaRg

now that's against a young tom jones, who was a light heavyweight but the only difference was that for bigger names valentine would bleed and take a little more punishment. the bend the opponent back and pound their chest with the forearm and those short punches to the gut were valentine signature moves.

not much footage of a later valentine is on youtube unfortunately.
Gotchya! I was confused. I thought that you were talking about Rogers. Buddy never changed his style from what you see in this video.

Thinking back it makes sense what you're saying. After Johnny went total face around 1960-61 he reactivated his feud with then NWA United States Champion Buddy Rogers. He had that "BRAIN BUSTER" as his signature move at the time and used it to smash Rogers' skull and leave him in a bloody mess in a couple of the bouts during the feud.

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PROGRAM FOR THE 2nd US TITLE MATCH - ROGERS vs VALENTINE 2/24/61
To your left you can read Johnny's threats to break Buddy's skull with the "BRAIN BUSTER." To the right Rogers lays a bloody mess in their previous match.
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valentine's style reminds me how generic the guys styles are today. it's more exciting to a degree, but when everybody does it makes it lose something. back when I started watching wrestling, you had the basic matwork and punishing holds, then they moved to the bumps and back and forth. when they did, you knew the match was heating up and a finish was coming. nowadays its the whole match.

liked the older style in hindsight.
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The first thing I notice is what good sellers they both are. They're energy is great too. They both made it seem like they really wanted to get at each other. Also, the holds on the mat look painful, not like they're just rest holds. Roger's double wrist lock looks like it really hurts. I've never seen a piledriver like his. In a way it actually looks more dangerous than other piledrivers. I thought for a second there was screw up and Valentine really got hurt. Really enjoyed it. Thanks for posting it.

I looked up the O'Connor Rogers match you mentioned in another post. Great match. At around 7:00 O'Connor looks like he's going rip Roger's arm off with that arm bar. The wrenching of the holds in it looks so good. I also like the ref work. I can't remember the last time I saw ref actually try to put his hand under the shoulder before or during the count.

The thing I notice about both matches is that the guys involved really make it seem like a competition, not like they're putting on a show.
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I love watching this old footage. Those body slams are so basic, yet look so painful. Wrestlers from today could learn a thing or two from that.
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