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Old 01-04-2014, 08:01 AM   #31 (permalink)
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That post fro dave1981 was great, shows the type of man Hogan is and I found the whole Vader no selling thing funny as well as Austin refusing to work with him
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:03 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I can agree with this.But it was his decisions in the 90's that was fucking horrible.Such as this.




It's either this or sacrificing Wrestlemania 27 to promote Rock vs Cena that would top Wrestlemania's biggest mistakes.
How did they sacrifice mania 27?

All of the main event matches still had build, promo time, etc. The Rock guest hosting and setting up Cena for mania 28 seemed a decent plan to me going on the numbers they did. I started watching again around the start of 2011 and Cena vs Miz was not that hot a main event and some of the matches on the show plain sucked
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How did they sacrifice mania 27?

All of the main event matches still had build, promo time, etc. The Rock guest hosting and setting up Cena for mania 28 seemed a decent plan to me going on the numbers they did. I started watching again around the start of 2011 and Cena vs Miz was not that hot a main event and some of the matches on the show plain sucked
I meant they sacrificed the mainevent of Wrestlemania 27 just to promote Rock vs Cena.Anyone that watched the RTWM could easily tell it was more about Rock vs Cena rather than Miz vs Cena.Rock vs Cena would draw no matter what.They didn't have to shit on WM 27 to promote it.The match was going to sell on star power and the feel of a dream match.

There have been a few bad mainevents like Sid vs Taker or HHH or Orton but this just didn't feel right to me.

P.S:L.T vs Bam Bam Bigelow is worse.I keep forgetting about that match.
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I meant they sacrificed the mainevent of Wrestlemania 27 just to promote Rock vs Cena.Anyone that watched the RTWM could easily tell it was more about Rock vs Cena rather than Miz vs Cena.Rock vs Cena would draw no matter what.They didn't have to shit on WM 27 to promote it.The match was going to sell on star power and the feel of a dream match.

There have been a few bad mainevents like Sid vs Taker or HHH or Orton but this just didn't feel right to me.

P.S:L.T vs Bam Bam Bigelow is worse.I keep forgetting about that match.
Fair enough. I think Rock featured prominently in it to try and generate as many buys as possible for that Mania and simply just wanted to see him on TV as much as possible as we did not know then if his guest hosing was all he was doing. The Rock coming back was a big deal. Miz was still part of the build up to the main event but he was secondary in the build up. I would not call it a mistake close to Hogan beating Yoko in 30 seconds. He was an unstoppable undefeated monster who had gone over everyone and lost in record time to a past it Hogan.
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Fair enough. I think Rock featured prominently in it to try and generate as many buys as possible for that Mania and simply just wanted to see him on TV as much as possible as we did not know then if his guest hosing was all he was doing. The Rock coming back was a big deal. Miz was still part of the build up to the main event but he was secondary in the build up. I would not call it a mistake close to Hogan beating Yoko in 30 seconds. He was an unstoppable undefeated monster who had gone over everyone and lost in record time to a past it Hogan.
It would have been awesome had Yoko crushed and defeated Hogan in less than a minute.
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During Warrior's title reign, Hogan was still trying to hog the limelight. Was it him or Vince behind it? I don't know. Either way, it made Warrior's title seem less important.

Watch some of the PPV pre-shows. Warrior is the title holder, yet Hogan gets the majority of the focus. I was looking at an old WWF Magazine I have, and the "headline" match is the Hogan team. Hell, even WM6... yes, Warrior pinned Hogan cleanly, but when the ref went down, who got the first pinfall? Hogan. Would it have altered things THAT much to have had Warrior get a pin with the ref down, then Hogan, and then finally the Warrior actually getting the three count for the title? Of course not.

Hogan is an egotistical jackass. He did a lot for the business, but he also did a lot to ensure nobody truly overtook him in terms of fame, money, etc.
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Was Hogan nearly kicking out at the final pin at WM6 just a way to keep Hogan 'looking strong'?
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I read that he only dropped the title to Goldberg under the condition Goldberg would drop it back a month later.

Despite the shit he's pulled though and how easy it is to makes jokes about the guy, there aren't too many people i respect more in the business for how he put wrestling on the map. Watching him and the way he promoted the shit out of the product in the 80's deserves a pat on the back.
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During Warrior's title reign, Hogan was still trying to hog the limelight. Was it him or Vince behind it? I don't know. Either way, it made Warrior's title seem less important.

Watch some of the PPV pre-shows. Warrior is the title holder, yet Hogan gets the majority of the focus. I was looking at an old WWF Magazine I have, and the "headline" match is the Hogan team. Hell, even WM6... yes, Warrior pinned Hogan cleanly, but when the ref went down, who got the first pinfall? Hogan. Would it have altered things THAT much to have had Warrior get a pin with the ref down, then Hogan, and then finally the Warrior actually getting the three count for the title? Of course not.

Hogan is an egotistical jackass. He did a lot for the business, but he also did a lot to ensure nobody truly overtook him in terms of fame, money, etc.
Yep. I was watching wwe through eurosport at that time and the earthquake/Hogan feud seemed gigantic to me while i didn't really care about the warrior/rude program. Earthquake had been built up as this monster heel and his finishing move, the one with which he "injured" Hogan, actually seemed scary (to a young mind that is) . Going into summerslam 1990 it was obvious what the big math was .
Warrior's reign seems kind of similar to CMpunk's reign , when another wrestler was the main event (Hogan, Cena) .
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I meant they sacrificed the mainevent of Wrestlemania 27 just to promote Rock vs Cena.Anyone that watched the RTWM could easily tell it was more about Rock vs Cena rather than Miz vs Cena.Rock vs Cena would draw no matter what.They didn't have to shit on WM 27 to promote it.The match was going to sell on star power and the feel of a dream match.

There have been a few bad mainevents like Sid vs Taker or HHH or Orton but this just didn't feel right to me.

P.S:L.T vs Bam Bam Bigelow is worse.I keep forgetting about that match.
It's also what everyone paid to see. Miz v Cena alone is not ME worthy. It really wasn't even WM worthy. The execution was terrible and I'm not sure if it could be booked well either but I don't think you could have Rock on the card and ignore it.

I do agree that Hogan didn't relinquish the spotlight well in WWF or WCW and that's why he got his rap. To me Savage should have been the one to put Hart over though because I don't think Hart meshes with Hogan. Hogan largely built his image on toppling 400 pound giants so I can get how it's a giant that ends up taking him down.
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