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Few wrestlers totally suck when it comes to performing certain roles where the fans completely reject them in that role. Sting's heel turn being one such example which did not go down well with fans. Miz's face turn did not do him much good either.

How much do you think it is the booking that certain wrestlers are forced into a perennial role no matter how much they try to change their image or evolve as a performer? For example, a heel Rey Mysterio would not work as a heel Sting doesn't. I cannot think of examples but there are terribly failed face runs which makes Miz's run look like Buddy Roger's. What factors in such cases to contribute to failed runs?
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I cannot think of examples but there are terribly failed face runs which makes Miz's run look like Buddy Roger's. What factors in such cases to contribute to failed runs?
When was Buddy Rogers ever a face? For one thing, Buddy was the epitome of a heel - probably, the best heel in the history of the game.

Secondly, his heel persona served him so well and made him so much money why would he even contemplate a run as a face??? It doesn't make sense, and NEVER happened.

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When was Buddy Rogers ever a face? For one thing, Buddy was the epitome of a heel - probably, the best heel in the history of the game.

Secondly, his heel persona served him so well and made him so much money why would he even contemplate a run as a face??? It doesn't make sense, and NEVER happened.

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If I am not totally mistaken, he did have a face run at the end of his career both as a wrestler and manager. But good point bringing in the money factor affecting the wrestler's face heel turns.
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If I am not totally mistaken, he did have a face run at the end of his career both as a wrestler and manager. But good point bringing in the money factor affecting the wrestler's face heel turns.
Buddy retired from wrestling in 1964 after 24 years on the mat as a heel in about 2,000 matches. Saying that he had a "face turn" is a stretch, to say the least.

After his retirement Buddy was idle in 1964 and 1965 due to health problems. However, he couldn't stay away from the game and had literally one match at the end of 1965 against Jack Dalton and two matches in 1966 (single against Tony Marino and a tag match with The Beast as his partner against Ed Carpentier and Johnny Rougeau.) He was a heel in those three bouts.

In 1967 Buddy had literally seven matches. Given that his opponents were all faces I would make the assumption he was still a heel in his limited "comeback."

In 1968 Buddy had no documented matches and in 1969 fought 20 times. His opponents appear to be a mix of faces and heels, so it's not clear whether he was a heel or face, or combination of the two depending on the match.

For the next nine years from 1970 through 1978 Buddy did not have any matches as a wrestler or manager.

In 1979 Buddy made his "comeback" at almost age 60 and had 45 matches that year. Since his opponents were all heels, I would make the assumption that he was a face.

That was basically it as far as actually wrestling in matches. In the early 1980s Buddy hosted "ROGERS' CORNER" on the WWF television show and was the manager of Jimmy Snuka. He also appeared on a number of television shows.

To say that Buddy Rogers had a "face turn" is more than a stretch - it's just not true. After 24 years and 2,000 matches as a heel, 45 bouts as a face in his final year on the mat hardly qualify as a "face turn." It's more like he made a last ditch attempt to fight "Father Time" and stretch out his participation in the game anyway he could.

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