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Old 12-09-2012, 10:01 AM   #3531 (permalink)
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I tend to skim commentary. Sometimes I read it all but there are times when I can't be bothered reading it, depends on who is in the segment they are commentating on. I'll always read the opening commentary, though. I chose to cease writing full commentary because it added nothing to what I'm trying to get across. I'll write bits of what King & Cole are saying if it's relevant but most of the time I wont write anything from the commentators. If writing commentary ceased to be, I wouldn't miss it all that much but, I can see why some choose to write it.
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:58 AM   #3532 (permalink)
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tl;dr -
A) Do you read commentary in shows like you would a promo, skim read it to get a feel of it or completely skip it out because you can't be arsed?
B) If you don usually read the commentary and enjoy doing so, would you be put off or whatever if there wasn't commentary in there for whatever reason?
Commentary is one of those things that if it's really good, it adds a whole other dimension to a show/thread. If it's average to just bad, it doesn't feel like anything is missing. But I kind of feel like like being good at booking is using everyone on the roster well, including those guys who do nothing but talk at ringside. If used well enough, they can get plenty of ideas and excitement across. I'd honestly like to see people use their commentary teams better.

To actually answer the question with what will probably look like a cop-out answer, I don't mind if it's there or not so long as whatever decision makes it a better show.

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Old 12-09-2012, 01:47 PM   #3533 (permalink)
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QOTD - Do you guys legit read commentary when you're reading a show or do you just kinda' skim through it to see if there's anything interesting or do you read it word for word like you would say a CM Punk promo. Reason being is that I personally, unless there's some chaos going on and what the commentators are saying could/would add a sense of atmosphere, I generally don't read commentary and ready the matches and promos. As well as that, from now on I'm writing my weekly shows without commentary and just briefly describing what the commentators are discussing or whatever, unless of course it adds to the show as a whole, in which case I'd write it out. I'm doing this simply because commentary is fucking draining eventually, and it does get pretty boring and monotonous.

tl;dr -
A) Do you read commentary in shows like you would a promo, skim read it to get a feel of it or completely skip it out because you can't be arsed?
B) If you don usually read the commentary and enjoy doing so, would you be put off or whatever if there wasn't commentary in there for whatever reason?

Edit: For anybody interested or anybody with an ounce of compassion in their hearts (), I shall be writing a lot more over the coming weeks and months because some pissed up, no-hope failure of a 16 stone bloke decided it'd be funny to diving shoulder barge me in my spine this morning, causing me to twist my ankle, leaving me with a 3rd degree ankle strain, rupturing almost all of the tendons and muscle fibers in my ankle. Gotta let it swell down before surgery, but my surgery is booked in for boxing day. So expect my thread to be rocking and rolling the next couple of months

Edit Edit: Lack of creativity and imagination poses this question. Hawkins and Reks tag team name please? Smarmy, opportunistic, wise-guys, generic heel team. Always running their mouth, always looking to get their name out there at anybody's expense, whether it's in the ring or just running them down on the microphone. You get the picture.
I tend to read commentary a fair bit of the time. However, I don't think it is absolutely vital in making a show. If a show wasn't to have commentary it wouldn't really bother me, however I do think it adds to a show sometimes. For example, J.R's epic commentary to sell the show before a PPV is always a gooden, whilst in a few 2011 threads, dickhead Michael Cole can really add to it, JBL is another that's awesome to read. I just think at times the commentators can sort of tell the story nicely of what's going on.

From a writing perspective, I do like writing commentary, although I must admit it can be very draining and there are times where I just think 'Fuck it'. So all in all I suppose it just depends what mood I'm in really both as a reader and a writer.

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Old 12-09-2012, 01:55 PM   #3534 (permalink)
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Here's a new QOTD - What is your opinion of having a Heavyweight superstar/World Heavyweight/WWE Champion becoming the intercontinental champion? And I'm not talking a situation like Chris Jericho where he takes an absence of a few years and then becomes Intercontinental Champion, I'm talking a situation like Randy Orton has a world heavyweight championship in 2006 and then becomes intercontinental champion in 2007.

I'm not too sure how this would work out, the WWE doesn't seem to do it a lot. After Jeff Hardy won the WWE Title he wasn't really considered a mid-carder anymore to me, I don't know how you would write him back to mid-card level champion. So basically my question is do you think it would work well?
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:14 PM   #3535 (permalink)
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I could see it working in the sense that you could use it as somewhat of a building block to regaining the higher up title. Maybe to build up their confidence after suffering the loss of the World Title, maybe as a means of friendly competition with a partner/friend that turns sour, maybe as a means of holding the title ransom until they get noticed for the World Title. It could work in a variety of different ways, but for someone (let's use Jeff Hardy as an example) to lose their title, lose the rematch and then the following month challenge for the IC title for no apparent reason, it wouldn't work and would seem ass backwards booking.

That is what I thought they were doing for Christian when he returned this year and winning the Intercontinental Championship, after his World Title/Main Event run during the summer of last year, and it would have made sense for him to come back, win the mid card title, dominate the division and lose the title, only to turn his attention back to the World Title after he's dipped his toes back in to the wrestling ring. The same could be said about The Miz, this year, also.

I think that is the beauty of mid card championships, and in my opinion, the better performers and characters are the ones that can fluctuate between tag teams, mid card titles and world titles without losing credibility or looking out of place - Your Kane's, your Chris Jericho's and your Rey Mysterio's, for example. I think a great example would be Chris Jericho from 2008-2010. He returned late 2007, focusing on the WWE Championship. Then had a real personal feud with Shawn Michaels throughout 2008 which kept him very relevant. 2009 came along and his attention turned towards Ricky Steamboat and co. But then eh fought for the IC title with Rey, and he didn't look out of place whatsoever, even though he could still legitimately fight for the WWE Championship, he's just been sidetracked by HBK/Steamboat etc. After the IC title feud with Rey, he paired up with The Big Show and fought the likes of the Colons, DX and The Harty Dynasty, and then using all of that momentum to win the Elimination Chamber and be in one of the main event matches against Edge for the World Heavyweight Championship.

I think as long as there's reasoning behind them going for the midcard title, and there's a little bit of a down period where they are either sidetracked from achieving success through personal blood feuds or some form or "losing their fire" type storyline, then it can be effective in not only revitalizing the mid card title division through the use of some bigger named wrestlers, but leaving a spot in the main event scene for someone else to take up, as well as rejuvenating the character themselves.

Yeah, I rambled.
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:42 PM   #3536 (permalink)
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Basically what Flux said; if it is going to add to their character and general direction then I don't see why not. But there would have to be a reason for them to go for it... something that would make them want it.
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:28 PM   #3537 (permalink)
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I'm gonna keep this short:

FCW 15 Championship
- A championship that was created in FCW (WWE's former developmental territory before they revamped NXT), the concept of which was simple - Every match was a fifteen minute time limit match (one match was 30 minutes between Rollins and Ambrose due to the two previous 15 minute matches both ending in a draw) with ironman rules - The person with the most decisions after fifteen minutes wins the match. If it ends in a draw, unless stated otherwise, the champion retains.

As sort of a "different" or "fresh" title, but without being too "gimmicky" like the hardcore title or too restricting like the Cruiserweight title, do you like the concept of the championship and would you enjoy reading feuds/matches centered around a similar title in BTB? If you wanna look at some FCW 15 Championship matches, then I'd recomment the Ambrose/Rollins series (August 14 2011, August 28 2011 and September 9 (?) 2011, the latter being the thirty minute match.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:26 PM   #3538 (permalink)
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I love unique championships like that. The FCW 15 Championship was a great idea. The DDT promotion also has the Extreme title, where every title defense is a different kind of a gimmick match and the current champion always gets to pick the match types. Or when Eric Young had the Global title that he would only defend outside US, though it didn't really work in TNA who run pretty much all their shows in the same place... I'm also a huge fan of CHIKARA's three point system for the tag teams, where the challengers have to win three matches in a row to earn a title shot.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:40 PM   #3539 (permalink)
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I'd be all for that idea Flux, especially in the time period you're doing. You've gotta have the right guys involved for that particular kind of championship which is why it worked in FCW I think. With guys like Rollins, Ambrose etc, it's gonna be entertaining. Bit different if you've got Big Show vs Kane for the gold however lol.
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:05 PM   #3540 (permalink)
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Here's a new QOTD - What is your opinion of having a Heavyweight superstar/World Heavyweight/WWE Champion becoming the intercontinental champion? And I'm not talking a situation like Chris Jericho where he takes an absence of a few years and then becomes Intercontinental Champion, I'm talking a situation like Randy Orton has a world heavyweight championship in 2006 and then becomes intercontinental champion in 2007.

I'm not too sure how this would work out, the WWE doesn't seem to do it a lot. After Jeff Hardy won the WWE Title he wasn't really considered a mid-carder anymore to me, I don't know how you would write him back to mid-card level champion. So basically my question is do you think it would work well?
It can definitely work to elevate the midcard title. A short IC Title reign from a main eventer leading to a World/WWE Title reign feels weak though. The wrestler basically wanted to keep busy 'till his next World Title shot. I think giving Orton the IC Title for like 6 to 12 months would really give credibility to that title because it means Orton cares about the belt.
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