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Old 11-30-2012, 11:32 AM   #3501 (permalink)
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IMO look at it in the eyes of a viewer - Would you buy a PPV if it was full of meaningless feuds and lackluster matches? No, you wouldn't, youd obviously pass, give it the download the next day and skip whatever doesn't interest you and you would save your money for a PPV that is actually worth it. So in that regard, I think every PPV must be somewhat relevant and not completely filler, and even if it is, at least build it up so it appears that it isn't. You could also argue that it's because the WWE uses the "other PPVs" as filler events, that the likes of Wrestlemania, Summerslam and Survivor Series get more buys, because it is the polar opposite and almost everything is generally the end of a feud, the peak of a feud or the beginning of a feud.

However, if every PPV meant something and it wasn't filler, then from a business stand point, would promotions be as successful? Obviously not everybody can afford 40 12-13 times a year, so they probably have to think wisely when it comes to their Pay Per View purchases throughout the calendar year. If you put on an absolute corker trio of PPVs, spanning from Wrestlemania to say July, chances are that whilst the numbers for those events will be good - Will those people purchase Summerslam and Wrestlemania like they normally would, orn would they leave it out because they spent up all of their "Pay-Per-View budget" so to speak, on B-Level PPVs. Meaning Wrestlemania may not get the crazy amounts of purchases that it gets.

But then again, this is BTB and you're not making money with this and you're not producing a PPV every calendar month, in real life, so in essence everything I just said was mere bollocks and I just wasted five minutes of my life rambling. But in short, I think that every PPV has to have an attraction that will draw the crowd in, be it a huge feud ender or a return or whatever, and take advantage of that special attraction and use that to build for the future, if that makes sense. Say Survivor Series 2011, you had The Rock have his return match after 8 years. Boom, that's your attraction and that will draw no matter what. Now use the other seven matches on the card to build characters and build feuds and rivalrys, investing your readers/viewers so that they will tune in and then order whenever the big pay off to the feud is - You may even use that feud you've built at that PPV as the main attraction for another B-Level PPV.

That's how I would personally work it, IMO. But I did just waffle for a long time.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:00 PM   #3502 (permalink)
 
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In a sense, the "not buying the PPV" idea works in the sense that a reader might skip over the PPV if it has a poor card/poor build/lack of big matches. I think the key to B-PPVs is the build behind them.

It's all well and good having Brock Lesnar come back to boost the number at Extreme Rules but would that Pay-Per-View have done that much worse without Lesnar? Probably not. Did the build for the Punk-Jericho rematch at the same show make people wanna see that match more? I think so. It's not the best example of a good build for a B-PPV but it's a build that got the fans (or at least some) invested in the storyline. Most of the fans who were complaining about the storyline were going to buy the PPV to see that match anyway because Jericho and Punk are great workers.

While I don't always leave feedback, I follow the majority of active threads on this forum and one of the reasons I don't always leave feedback (other than being a lazy cunt!) is because I'm waiting for things to culminate at the PPV. Building storylines to that point helps establish where things are going and that's really why B-PPV's still even exist but that doesn't mean nothing happens at each of them. Often B-PPV's have matches that have screw-y finishes (DQ, Run-In, Count Out, Missed foot on the rope, etc.) and are rematched further down the line. That's probably the easiest way to make each show mean something. I also think it's a point where the storyline can pivot and develop new depth without getting stale though too many screw-y finishes at PPV's can come off poorly, it's just a matter of not over-doing it.

So yeah, it's fine to use a B-PPV to springboard towards a bigger show but that does mean you're going to be taking away from the show and, if you'd rather work on the Major shows, that's fine but expect less feedback on them as a result.

This whole situation is actually why I eliminated B-PPV's but then you're in a position where a lot of your storylines will have to carry over for months at a time so it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.

That's my take.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:03 PM   #3503 (permalink)
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Thanks for the opinions chaps. I totally agree with the build and whatnot being important to how a reader/viewer feels. I'm not saying for example, oh I'm just gonna throw a few matches together and say there ya go, screw this PPV it's only... you know what I mean?

It's more a case of using those lesser PPVs to build towards the more important ones. Knowing that it's simply building towards something bigger, does that then take away from or lessen your interest in that particular PPV as a reader?

And btw, this isn't just to do with my thread, I'm curious as a reader as well as a writer. I personally don't find it a big deal as I know the payoff's coming eventually, be it my thread or someone else's but wondered how others felt.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:09 PM   #3504 (permalink)
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Well no matter how good "the blow off match" may or may not be in terms of a five star match, if the build and the animosity isn't there, then it will never reach it's full potential. If you need to harness the lower, b-level PPVs to create that animosity and make that blow off match even more epic, then in essence they're just as important as the big events.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:00 PM   #3505 (permalink)
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I am hoping to start a booker here in the next few days, I have done them in the past, just not here, (I guess thats obvious, since none of you know who I am due to me being new), But anyway I am trying to decide between immediately after the 2012 Survivor Series, or start at WrestleMania 23.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:16 PM   #3506 (permalink)
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The way I look at it is No Way Out 2008 was a lot more exciting than no way out 2007, just look at the cards. 2 Elimination chamber matches or one tag team match? It's all about hype, excitement, and what people want to see.
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:46 PM   #3507 (permalink)
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I'm back again wanting both a name and theme music for a heel faction consisting of John Morrison, Melina Perez, Curt Hawkins and Tyler Reks, as well as a corrupt referee named Scott Dawson. Any ideas?
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Question for anyone who could be kind enough to help. Does anyone know of any old or current threads that have had a recapped ppv, of good quality. I'm looking for one to base my first ppv off of in my thread, as a guide mainly. Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Question for anyone who could be kind enough to help. Does anyone know of any old or current threads that have had a recapped ppv, of good quality. I'm looking for one to base my first ppv off of in my thread, as a guide mainly. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Look through KOPs thread in the HOF section
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