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Old 04-21-2012, 01:13 PM   #2891 (permalink)
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:41 PM   #2892 (permalink)
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Not to sidetrack anybody from the Tourney talk, but this is an old post from a member named Flip that has to be at least 3-4 years old, seeing as how I got this back when I was much more active (like 2008ish). Evidently, I had it copied and pasted onto a document that I just stumbled upon. It concerns match writing. Posting it to perhaps spark a little bit of discussion...

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Flipís tips for match writing:

This may be completely useless but Iíve seen a lot of people complain that they donít enjoy matches, so maybe this will help out and give some bookers a medium through which to control and structure their ideas. Another reason Iíve chose to do this is the recent comments made by senior members that newer bookers arenít doing anything to further the section, so this is my little contribution. Hell, maybe this could be added to the handbook if anyone has found use from it, and if not, what the hell, Itís killed some time and kept me entertained. So here we goÖ

1) Different people use different formulaís but there are three things you must balance to produce a quality match: reaction/heat, finish and flow. The first we will deal with is flow: The match has to convey the right message and on PPV, you almost always want to make the match seem competitive. Therefore, chains of moves and quick shifts of control are vital. However, the most common problem is that this is seen as a necessary evil and is rushed through, thus making it weaker than it should and could be. Try having both men look like they are going to take full control only for it to be reversed at the last section. Make both men look like theyíve done it before snatching away, making them almost equivalent to near-falls. The method I use is to imagine you were being hit with a move, and think how you would escape, before quickly switching roles and repeating the process. This makes it seem more realistic and not rehearsed or pre-planned.

Also, use submissions early on, as they can be your friend. A simple headlock can be a major spot in the match as a whole, especially in todayís MMA-crazed world. Do something different by over-emphasising a simple headlock and making it seem extremely hard to break. Doing this makes the controllerís arsenal seem more dominant while showing the resistance and heart of the person in the move. This tactic also works well when you switch from a submission by one wrestler to a submission by the other, meaning that both men have been in trouble. These holds work well because when put over strong enough, they can be powerful enough to make the audience lose their subconscious expectations and make them believe the match could end at any point, in a way that early near falls cannot.

2) Eventually, as the match progresses, power moves will start to be hit and itís far too easy to be drawn into the typical structure of heel control before the face comes on strong. Here is a great opportunity to fuck with this. Have the heel control for longer than expected, or make him unable to hit any offence. It doesnít matter which route you go down, either way youíre doing something different, which, with the amount of threads in this section, is always a good thing. Hereís a nice time to incorporate some blood, jus make sure itís there for a reason. A nice thing to do is to have someone get busted up from nowhere, completely unexpected. This hitís the audience hard and forces them to watch or read in this case. For example, if a face is dominating for too long, people start to become passive. But if from nowhere heís cut by a looping right hook or a knee to the face, the audience will become active again. The key to any match is keeping the audience active. But blood isnít the only way to do this, thereís many more and they donít require much thinking. The only reason I prefer the crimson mask approach is that it stays all match long and therefore is more memorable. Seemingly, making a simple strike seem like far more and tricking the audience into thinking they have seen more than they actually have done.

3) Iím big on match realism and believe that it should replicate a straight fight to a certain extent. So thereís something I do here which contributes heavily to match flow. In a real fight, people donít do some damage before just walking away and taunting the fans or pumping themselves up. So this should be mirrored in a match, especially early. Have the two competitors go hard in close, and throw the momentum around several times, giving the upper hand to each guy a few times before unexpectedly hitting a power move. The moves in the exchange have to hard hitting and if possible have both men copy their opponents move: so says Fisherman Suplex on BÖFisherman Suplex on A. This makes the match seem more competitive and shows how close the two men are.

4) Moving onto ending. My main tip here is make it unexpected. Doing this for Orton or HBK is easy as their finishers are unexpected and come from nowhere, but for guys like say Lance Storm or Ric Flair, their finishers take a little more preparation. So hereís how to get over it: look at the way the wrestler usually hits or locks in their finisher, and then dream up any way possible where they could hit their finisher, finally, choose the one which would be least expected. We as wrestling fans love that kind of thing. An example here is, Lance Storm catches Rey Mysterio in a Powerbomb position as Rey goes for a Huracanrana. Storm puts Rey in the Styles Clash position before dropping him down and quickly locking in the Canadian Maple Leaf Submission. Things like this, mixed with a some really close near falls = awesomeness.

5) And now reactionÖFirst off, as mentioned earlier, you need to keep the audience active and believing that the match could easily end at any moment. Iím not going to go over these again as thereís no real need. But what I will say is that the audience should be part of a match. A simple chain of moves, followed by a puro-style stand off accompanied with applause always works well in this situation. As does taunt to the fans, getting them riled up. See Joe vs. Punk in ROH when the fan in the front row gets owned by both wrestlers in quick succession. Or The Dudleyz bullying Hat Guy in the old ECW. Things like this add an extra dimension to your work and makes it stand out.

6) Your matches also need a big match feel. Therefore, drag out your entrances, build the tension, maybe even make the first few minutes of the match really sluggish before letting it explode. Any of these will do the trick. Fore really big matches, have both men maybe wear robes (just a thought) and/or have them introduced when they are already in the ring. Or have the announcer read out their title history or do a tale of the tape. The possibilities are endless.

I hope some of these things have been helpful, and if they havenítÖÖ.meh.
Anyone have any thoughts regarding these? How it compares to your match writing style? A writing style you enjoy reading? Or just the tips in general?
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Old 04-21-2012, 06:23 PM   #2893 (permalink)
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- The reason why we don't have a mod right now is because the section doesn't need one. As much as we (the members that were around this time last year) were complaining about it being shit in activity compared to years before, it still had more activity than what we have right now.
It was terrible this time last year. I would say it was more dead then than it is at the moment, especially as we barely got a summer boom and we all sat here and wondered where it was.

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Not to sidetrack anybody from the Tourney talk, but this is an old post from a member named Flip that has to be at least 3-4 years old, seeing as how I got this back when I was much more active (like 2008ish). Evidently, I had it copied and pasted onto a document that I just stumbled upon. It concerns match writing. Posting it to perhaps spark a little bit of discussion...

Anyone have any thoughts regarding these? How it compares to your match writing style? A writing style you enjoy reading? Or just the tips in general?
Definitely feeling those tips, especially the theme of - if it's getting boring, make it more interesting. Trying out new things is what makes it entertaining as a writer. It's the same with shows in general; not two shows ago I tried a different intro by having one huge promo before the opening credits, and I immediately felt like it stood out from the rest of my (relatively small number of) shows. Stuff like experimenting with different finishes, different interactions or uses for the crowd, entrances, and even the basic way you construct the face-heel story - there's a lot of freedom in the whole process. Good thing I have a PPV to finish, I can toy around with some of it. Nice find.

On the tourney topic, I agree that it kind of killed the activity. I remember I was considering a new (newer) thread at the time with a partner, and then I looked at the section and wondered who the hell was around to read it anyway. And er, I'm not ready for anyone to take my crown yet. I haven't given enough feedback to make some puns about being royalty, plus I still haven't used my coloured usertitle OR changed my name to King Melvis and taken on a royal gimmick and disapproved of you all ala Booker T in 2006.

And on the mod thing, if we have someone doing the exact same thing anyway, I'm not fussed. Headliner's the Interim Vice-Moderator of BTB [/Laurinaitis] so that's fine. I still think there's potential for a Newsletter at some point this year, with a new interview, maybe some awards and a couple of other bits (maybe return of the Spotlight?) that could be done, but we don't need a mod for that, and if Headliner's going to sort out all the brass and bold stuff then we're set.

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Old 04-21-2012, 06:36 PM   #2894 (permalink)
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Anyone have any thoughts regarding these? How it compares to your match writing style? A writing style you enjoy reading? Or just the tips in general?
I really do enjoy his thoughts since I prefer Japanese wrestling and MMA-influences in wrestling and that is what it pretty much seems like he is suggesting. I really enjoy writing this way and I've enjoyed seeing it come into play by writers with the aspects I do see applied so it definitely I'd say it is all good advice.
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Old 04-22-2012, 03:45 AM   #2895 (permalink)
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I've just never been really good at writing matches. I've done it a couple times, but the amount of tiime it takes to do so just drains my desire to work on anything.
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:46 PM   #2896 (permalink)
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Match writing is usually been somewhat of an issue when it comes to my BTB's, I often found it quite mentally draining when doing matches I had no care for, like filler matches etc, I also found it difficult to keep up with writing stuff for regular shows, I.E Raw, Smackdown, Nitro, Impact etc. whereas with big events like PPV's or SuperCards, I always found it quite enjoyable so I guess I'm really split on match writing, yeah, it's been difficult to engage with at times but other times I've loved writing matches even if they aren't on par with the likes of the great writers from this section.
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:26 PM   #2897 (permalink)
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Understandable on the drain of written the filler matches for the TV shows. I am thinking of maybe doing an expanded version of my style for my PPVs/supershows. We'll see how THAT works out.

Speaking of, the first of the two pre-shows is up on the WWA thread, if anyone wants to look. It's just results for these, and there are no storyline advancements, as those will not happen until my third show, "Crowning a Champion", where WWA will do just that.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:59 PM   #2898 (permalink)
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Sorry for the double here, but I just wanted to say this:

I am udderly amazed at how good some of you guys are. I only do this stuff for a hobby, as a way to tide myself over with something fun to do. The fact that some of you guys are as vivid and as detailed as you are truly impresses me. I hope you guys enjoy WWA/WWF as it gets off the ground, and at the same time, I look forward to catching up/keeping up with your guys' work as well. I am honored to be involved in this community.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:48 PM   #2899 (permalink)
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Hi to all you bookers, this is my first post and just thought I say hello and say I would like to post a BTB here. The guy that referred me to this place said you get reviews or even comments regularly that contuinue to motivate you to keep writing and posting shows. I would like to contribute to the community and will in turn review and comment and read your shwos as well.

Well any way, I guess I'll get cracking on reading your stuff and see how it all works and go from there.
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:24 PM   #2900 (permalink)
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Welcome Lariatoh. I'm a relative newcomer myself to the board, but so far I've had good experiences. A little light on the reviews, but I'm only on the preshows, so I am sure it'll pick up. Look forward to seeing what you got.
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