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Old 12-28-2011, 10:47 AM   #2651 (permalink)
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Haha. That probably is the issue. So what do you suggest? 1 a day? Should I delete the whole thread and start over? Wait for people to review?
Flesh out your shows - give them more detail, take time to plan and take time to present a show which looks attractive and respectable. Check out other BTB's for examples of this, and then generally try and post two or three shows a week at max, if you're going to post previews and whatever as well.
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Would it make sense to post out a show today? I have Night of Champions PPV coming up, all I need to do is post Week 4 of Smackdown. Should I wait it out? Post Smackdown and wait for NOC? Or post both?
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Ill start work on my BTB later tonight. Hope everyone likes the roster and style of company I choose.
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Just a few questions from me, not only for me to personally pick up some tips and whatever, but to also create some discussion.

I think that most of my BTBs have failed because of failing to plan properly. Meaning either I don't plan long enough, or my plans aren't as thorough and/or as detailed as they should be so when it comes to actually writing the shows and building the feuds, I become a little bit lost. So I presume that most of you have a word document or whatever with plans for a PPVs and feuds and whatever - what do you include on this document?

Chances are this has been asked before but I either can't remember or I wasn't a member, so I'll go right ahead and ask. Another reason I feel my BTBs fail is because when I've finished my plans, I look back and think that my feuds and storylines absolutely suck for the simple reason that they're boring, 'seen it all before' type shit. So how do you lot come up with original, creative shit? Or do you just generally have to be an original, creative person and you can't learn that?
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Would it make sense to post out a show today? I have Night of Champions PPV coming up, all I need to do is post Week 4 of Smackdown. Should I wait it out? Post Smackdown and wait for NOC? Or post both?
You come up with your own posting pace. There's really no right or wrong answer to when you post, but it's generally not a good idea to post shows at the rapid pace you have. And I've never known of any rule that says you can't post a bunch of shows at once, it's just not really looked fondly upon and looks annoying if anything. But to directly answer your question, perhaps you should wait a few days between posting shows. Your zeal is admirable, but people need time to read your shows and digest your material/ideas before even knowing what's going on at your PPV.

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I think that most of my BTBs have failed because of failing to plan properly. Meaning either I don't plan long enough, or my plans aren't as thorough and/or as detailed as they should be so when it comes to actually writing the shows and building the feuds, I become a little bit lost. So I presume that most of you have a word document or whatever with plans for a PPVs and feuds and whatever - what do you include on this document?
Personally, the less detail I have, the better for me. Yeah, I have a seperate word document where I have my future PPV plans and perhaps a few rules, notes, and things to remember, but there's not much there other than cards. Underneath some of the matches, there's notes on what needs to be included in the feud at some point, but I don't tell myself when. I don't like that much detail in planning. Personally, I feel the more detail I put into something, the more robotic, emotionless it feels for me and the less fun I have. So a clear goal in mind, but creating a loose-leaf, flexible plan to get there is what works for me. That said, certain creative habits don't work for everyone. So take than with a grain of salt.

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Chances are this has been asked before but I either can't remember or I wasn't a member, so I'll go right ahead and ask. Another reason I feel my BTBs fail is because when I've finished my plans, I look back and think that my feuds and storylines absolutely suck for the simple reason that they're boring, 'seen it all before' type shit. So how do you lot come up with original, creative shit? Or do you just generally have to be an original, creative person and you can't learn that?
There's no such thing as absolute originality. It's impossible to create something completely 'new'. Everything takes infulences and ideas from somewhere, something else, whether it be life, books, movies, whathaveyou. I'm not sure how to thoroughly explain it, so I'll steal someone else's words, (I don't recall who said it) but the basic idea of being creative is to 'give people the same, only different'. Especially when it comes to wrestling, when things get rehashed all the time. That said, watching/reading other creative material (not JUST wrestling related things) helps a great deal in not only material, but inspiration too. And faith in your ideas can go a long ways, too. It's nice to acknowledge that your ideas aren't the best, but beating up your own imagination won't do you much good, I don't think (I can't say much...I tend to be doing it a good deal myself lately ). As for having to be an 'original, creative' person, I'm of the general thought that no, creativity can't be so much taught or learned, but it can definately be expanded on, regardless of how much or little creativity you have/consider yourself to have. Everyone has something to offer.

Hope you got something out of all that babble
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What you just described under that second quote is me, word for word. Seriously.

I have always and will always hate the idea of planning too much outside PPV cards for the future. I'll write them down for however far I've gotten in planning, or want to get, but from there, it';s all in my head. Planning down on paper means you need to change things around later on, but when it comes from your mind, it's so much more rewarding and works out so much better.

The times I've written something and then changed it for something else there and then, changing the course of something, and it's been praised is extraordinary.

Al element of planning is needed, but what you said is totally right. Too much outside of the basics and your work does become robotic and emotionless. Most of the fun about any sort of fictional writing is being able to feel how your work is progressing and being able to mould it as you go. That's destroyed when you see too many goalposts as to what needs to happen.
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I try to flesh out my shows, but I dont want to lose the inspiration and the excitement of booking. I have a blast doing it so thats why I write in bunches, so I dont lose focus on my storylines. I'm at a point where I'm writing Night of Champions but honestly I have a THICK outline until Wrestlemania. Thats 7 months in planning. So I try not to lose focus, but since no one reviews my shows, I decide just to keep writing.
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Madden, you're bordering the line here, you're not allowed to shill your BTB in the discussion thread. I'll just say this, I looked at your BTB and right away the color scheme put me off, it's hard to read. Secondly, there's a reason you are going through your shows fast; they are short. Try to add more to the matches and promos to give the shows a real atmosphere.
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Oh, I apologize. I'm new to the thread and I thought the discussion thread is a place where everyone feeds off of reviews and they just help each other through here. Clearly that isn't the case. Sorry. Again I apologize.
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Just a few questions from me, not only for me to personally pick up some tips and whatever, but to also create some discussion.

I think that most of my BTBs have failed because of failing to plan properly. Meaning either I don't plan long enough, or my plans aren't as thorough and/or as detailed as they should be so when it comes to actually writing the shows and building the feuds, I become a little bit lost. So I presume that most of you have a word document or whatever with plans for a PPVs and feuds and whatever - what do you include on this document?

Chances are this has been asked before but I either can't remember or I wasn't a member, so I'll go right ahead and ask. Another reason I feel my BTBs fail is because when I've finished my plans, I look back and think that my feuds and storylines absolutely suck for the simple reason that they're boring, 'seen it all before' type shit. So how do you lot come up with original, creative shit? Or do you just generally have to be an original, creative person and you can't learn that?
First, I use my phone. If I get an idea I'll write it in there, so I don't have to be sitting at my computer to force myself to have an idea.

And the storylines don't have to be revolutionary. I see so many 'TNA invasion' threads and usually won't like them. To me, you should have one really creative rivalry, but the rest just need to be entertaining. It's about the events that happen, not the creativity or the storyline. The Rock Vs Austin was just a "I'm better" storyline, but they had so many events like the finisher exchanges, ring attacks, interviews, promos, the thing with JR. It's about how you deliver the storyline, not the storyline itself.
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