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post #2551 of 5317 (permalink) Old 10-25-2011, 07:11 AM
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Re: The Official BTB Discussion Thread

The answer is no, regarding your ACTUAL question though.

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A majority of guys you listed do get pushed, to like the IC/US Title. When somebody can actually have a thread where they can push more then just three new talents into the main event scene, if they can write well, I'll probably enjoy it more than any other thread on here.
Why does it make a difference if they're new talents though? If the booking and writing is good regardless, why does it matter? You make it seem like pushing new superstars is integral for a top BTB when it's not.

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The answer is no, regarding your ACTUAL question though.
Yeah, forgot to mention that bit, got caught up in the moment.
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A majority of guys you listed do get pushed, to like the IC/US Title. When somebody can actually have a thread where they can push more then just three new talents into the main event scene, if they can write well, I'll probably enjoy it more than any other thread on here.
You have a point, but some of them have been push to main event status. Christian in Wolfy's thread, Kennedy in Mac's thread, MVP in KOP's thread, CM Punk in Nige's thread, etc.

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Do either Szumi or Spartanlax have an active thread? Used to idolize those guys back in the day when I started writing.
Neither is writing at the moment, unfortunately.

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Why does it make a difference if they're new talents though? If the booking and writing is good regardless, why does it matter? You make it seem like pushing new superstars is integral for a top BTB when it's not.
That's why I said a thread with all new talents being pushed is something that I would enjoy. It's not something that is necessary to have a top thread, it's just something that I would prefer.

Regarding the good writing argument... I guess there's only so many different versions of Cena, Batista, Edge, Orton, Triple H, Shawn Michaels that I can read before it all begins to get a little repetitive.

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You have a point, but some of them have been push to main event status. Christian in Wolfy's thread, Kennedy in Mac's thread, MVP in KOP's thread, CM Punk in Nige's thread, etc.
At the end of the day, it's still just one guy. KOP still had MVP feuding with the same old wrestlers. Mac had KK feuding with Batista and Triple H, and before that Cena. My ideal thread is not just one new talent, I want to see stars built, and then I want to see the same stars being the main attraction of said thread.


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It seems to be something you're just saying for the sake of it. You're that desperate for new stars? Get some going in a thread of your own. If you can't find writing that entertaining otherwise, that's probably to do more with the quality of the feuds being written than the superstars being used.

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I'm not really talking about my shit, more what I wish I could see from others. Realistically, I'm never going to stick to a thread long enough to build new stars, hence why I want others to get around to doing it.

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Re: The Official BTB Discussion Thread

Feels like a hybrid thing to me. Sure, I find new stars intriguing and possibly more interesting than the regular guys, but at the same time, would I read a thread which has a main event of Cena-HHH-Batista-HBK-Orton-etc with no-one new if the storylines are compelling enough? Absolutely. The tagline on the section reads "Tired of wrestling storylines?" - ultimately, although I won't try to put a concrete tag on what makes a good BTB, one major thing to having a BTB most people would enjoy is innovative storylines. That's a first and foremost.

That's not to say I wouldn't appreciate a couple of threads with brand new stars, 'cause in a way I share Stoj's sentiment there. It's part of the reason I like wrestling so much, the same reason I like really good television of any kind; the ability to develop a character over a long period of time and see what the end result is. That's a good skill, I feel. To be able to take a character and change them somehow with a series of great stories; that's the kind of thing I want to emulate with a thread, and something I hope to do with a long-term effort soon.

On another topic, hooray for discussion, beers all round. Place felt a little lifeless recently.
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I hope you will be returning to the section soon now the King Tourney is done, Melvis. Had high hopes for your 2011 thread.
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Yeah, but your ass had better pay for all those beers though, Melvis. Now that you're a "King" and all

As for me, I think I share a great deal of Melvi's sentiments. I love watching a character start one way at point A then evolving, or in somecases degenerating, at every step of the way until point B. And with wrestling being episodic, the characterization never has to end. The evolution doesn't end.

As for how all that plays through in this section's sense, I will also say I'm not the most patient person in the world when it comes to developing things, either. But it's fun to try and build something like that. But to me, as productive as building new stars may seem, it's about the characters. And I feel as though the established main eventer (your Cenas/HBK's/Ortons) has a character that's been set in some way, therefore it's easier to play with; more mallable because it's all there. This is versus the mid-carder who isn't as established in character, who is open for much more opportunity for a character (or, if you're uncreative, no character at all) and could thus be more difficult to write for. The more freedom with character, some may find that daunting. Perhaps the same analogy can be said for WWE v. created feds.

I'm probably babbling here, but perhaps the point I'm trying to make is that I too wish people would think outside of what they've already seen, but I can see how it's difficult.




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