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Old 07-16-2008, 07:58 AM   #261 (permalink)
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Well, since this is happening, I might as well explain this, and it's no plugging, to be certain; unfortunate as it may be, my current WWE thread has prematurely ended due to some hiccups concerning the Rumble and so forth, and as well as a lack of focus and a measure of motivation. So Legend, DDMac, Invincible, and a few others, I sincerely apologize for my lack of dedication and not going through with the PPV. I hyped it, and did not deliver, thus I'm not sure what to make of it, TBH.

So, with this said, here were my HUGE plans for the thread in question, and what they would've led to, as I'm not doing anymore WWE threads as they would plan out virtually the same, TBH. Here they are;

As I was on the Rumble of 2008, my matches were as follows; The Royal Rumble itself, Triple Threat Match for the WWE Championship between Randy Orton, Triple H, and the winner of the Number One Contender match between HBK and Carlito, the World Heavyweight Championship Match between Bobby Lashley and John Cena, Mr. Kennedy Vs Chris Jericho, Candice Michelle defending the Women's Championship against Victoria, and Carlito Vs HBK to determine the Number One Contender. HBK was to defeat Carlito to go into the WWE Championship, Candice defeated Victoria (because I love her too much) and Chris Jericho bloodied Mr. Kennedy to a fucking pulp, making him tap out to the Walls of Jericho. People expected Kennedy to go over, but no, I made him pay for retiring RVD, and so did Jericho himself. The fued would go into NWO whereupon Jericho would team up with CM Punk to take on Kennedy and his newfound ally, Edge. Edge and Kennedy would get the last laugh, but at Smackdown Vs RAW, Jericho and Kennedy would fight in a IC Champion Vs US Champion match, as Jericho defeated Shelton for the title not too far back after the RR. There, Jericho would, quote on quote, "injure" Kennedy in a No Contest and Kennedy would be helped to the back. On the following Smackdown!, Kennedy was relinquished of his United States Championship and his MITB briefcase, as a result of being injured for god knows how long. Teddy Long was booed for doing so, but he felt he made the "right" choice. More info on this as we go on.

Bobby Lashley was defeated by Cena, and their feud would end. Cena would go on to feud with two men, to put it simply; The WWE Champion, Randy Orton, and the self proclaimed Number One Contender to the title at Wrestlemania, The Lord of Darkness, the Undertaker. Nonetheless, John would have an ally in this; The Animal, Batista, of whom came in at Number 30 at the Royal Rumble and last eliminated The Undertaker to win his shot at one of the World Championships at Wrestlemania. Well, The Undertaker refuted this and demanded a match at NWO to determine the TRUE #1 Contender, while Randy Orton and John Cena would end their disdain for eachother once and for all at NWO, both in Matches of Sacrifice, meaning had Batista lost to the Undertaker, he would relinquish his chance at the title, and if Undertaker lost, he would have to succumb to Batista's choice, and take on whomever Batista did not choose for Wrestlemania. If Randy Orton loses, he would have to face his challenger in a No Disqualification match at Wrestlemania, while if John Cena lost, he would have to face his challenger in a match of his challenger's choosing.

Well, Batista defeated The Undertaker, and John Cena defeated Randy Orton. Therefore, Batista, on the following RAW, chose his opponent, and delivered a powerful Spinebuster to the Legend Killer, his old friend, RANDY ORTON! The Undertaker therefore had the chance to continue his WM streak by facing Cena, but Cena had a streak of his own at the milestone event. Nonetheless, at Wrestlemania, John Cena and The Undertaker would have one hell of a hellacious battle in the ring, going to the outside, the inside, and all ways, but in the end, The Undertaker set up the Tombstone Piledriver, much to the fans' delight, despite being Heel, and proceeded to pin Cena, but.... here came KENNEDY! Theodore Long introduced his new representative as his old one, Bobby Lashley, had failed in acquiring the WHC. Long announced to Taker and Cena he had despised the both of them, and so "faked" the injury with Kennedy in order to keep them off guard. With the briefcase in hand, Kennedy ran into the ring and DQed Cena by hitting The Undertaker with the briefcase in the head, thereby keeping the Deadman's streak alive by disqualification. Why did he do this? In any case, Long ordered the Ref to restart the match, and with the Deadman out, Kennedy delivered a Mic Check to a weak Cena, pinning him to become the NEW World Heavyweight Champion! Kennedy and Long proceeded to leave to a chorus of boos... and history was made...

This follows us to the WWE Championship match, whereupon Batista was to face Orton. Before this, however, Triple H and HBK battled Orton for the strap at RR. Both men were unsuccessful, due to HBK, though. Throughout the match, HBK was fighting with his inner ambitions and emotions, confusing him on whether to help Triple H and go solo. While the Legend Killer was bloodied by Triple H, Triple H proceeded for a Pedigree, but... SWEET CHIN MUSIC into the face of his old friend! Triple H went down, and Orton slumped onto the mat. HBK looked at Triple H, scoffing, but instead of pinning either man, he hoisted Orton up and threw him on top of Triple H, following up by leaving the ring on his accord. As Orton pinned Triple H, HBK grinned as his old friend lost... This'd lead to a match between the two at NWO, where Triple H exacted revenge and defeated HBK. Triple H had help, though. The General Manager, Bret Hart, knew HBK was not a changed man, and aided Triple H in defeating HBK, and so, the long awaited rematch from the Montreal Screwjob was made for Wrestlemania; Bret Hart versus HBK w/Triple H as Special Guest Referee at the Grandest Stage of Them All. Hart would go on to defeat HBK, but in the aftermath, Triple H betrayed Hart and pedigreed him, bringing out... VINCE MCMAHON! Vince laughed in Hart's face as HBK delivered a Sweet Chin Music and Triple pedigreed him a second time! The fans booed wildly as Vince, Triple H, and HBK stood tall at Wrestlemania over a fallen Bret... but why?

This leads us to the WWE Championship Match, whereupon Batista defeated Randy Orton to end the show (of course, Big Dave owns and he's the RR winner.) After the match, Batista raised his first ever WWE Championship high in the air, signifying his coming to RAW.....

.... And...

He did NOT open the following RAW, as someone else did; Vincent Kennedy McMahon. Why, you ask? I'll tell you. Vince appeared and while in the center of the ring, he announced something HUGE; for the past year, he said, he had orchestrated the ENTIRE CHAIN OF EVENTS THAT HAD OCCURRED! The Ministry of Darkness? Yeah, it was him. Batista being buried alive to not interfere? Yeah, him as well. John Cena being fired from RAW? Him too. The fued between Triple H, Randy Orton, and HBK? Yeah, that was him. In truth, HBK, HHH, and Orton had become friends in quest for dominance, and as such, dominated RAW's title scene in the hopes that none would come before them. The Ministry of Darkness dominated Smackdown! in the hopes of no one challenging The Undertaker, who was in on McMahon's deception the entire time. Kennedy being injured and brought back by Long? Yeah, McMahon too. McMahon wanted Cena to be defeated, and thus, The Undertaker agreed to allowing Kennedy to retain his streak via DQ, and become Champion in the process. Elaborate, indeed. McMahon then introduced his allies; Triple H was first, then came HBK, the NEW IC Champion Edge had followed, before then defeating Jericho and Punk in a Triple Threat at Mania to become IC Champion. After Edge, the entire Ministry of Darkness came in, and after them, Randy Orton, and last but not least, Theodore Long and his representative, and NEW WHC, Kennedy. McMahon explained that all these men were instrumental in keeping power, but one man ended this; he played a recap of the Royal Rumble, where Batista last eliminated The Undertaker. McMahon explained, this was not supposed to occur, as Kennedy was supposed to win and cash in his MITB briefcase on Randy Orton, but challenge Cena for the World Heavyweight Championship, becoming an Undisputed Champion. Batista had interfered and became WWE Champion, and it was his time to pay.

Batista's music blared and as he entered the ring to confront McMahon and his cohorts, he was attacked on sight! Randy Orton and Triple H had him by the arms, and one by one, each member of McMahon's group pounded him, bloodying him in the process. The Animal was alone, as The Undertaker gave him a chokeslam and the World Heavyweight Champion, Kennedy, spat on the WWE Championship! As the men laughed, John Cena arrived on the stage, and looked at each of them from afar. Behind him, The Hart Foundation consisting of Harry Smith and TJ Wilson, and with them, Bobby Lashley, Carlito, the NEW MITB holder, as well as Rey Mysterio Jr, Chris Jericho, and CM Punk! They yelled, and ran into the ring, clearing house and aiding Batista! As McMahon and his posse escaped, John Cena proclaimed, "This... is WAR," thus beginning my year long angle of the Corporation, headed by McMahon and WHC Kennedy, along with Triple H, HBK, The Undertaker and the Ministry, Randy Orton, Theodore Long, Edge, and funder of the group, JBL, against the superstars of the WWE, including leader WWE Champ Batista, John Cena, The Hart Foundation with Bret Hart as mentor, Carlito, CM Punk, Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho who's now head of the New Hart Foundation, The Hardyz, and so forth. The entire angle would last throughout the year, and Batista and Kennedy would remain Champs until Survivor Series, where they would fight in a title unification match. Before Batista pinned Kennedy with the Batista Bomb, however, Carlito came out and said sorry to him, punching him in the face and calling for the bell, cashing in his MITB contract! Carlito pinned Kennedy and four years to his PPV debut, became the first Undisputed Champion in years! Thus, Carlito became the new leader of the WWE Alliance, seeing as Batista was no longer Champion. Though Batista became angry, he nonetheless befriended Carlito and the pair would go on at Armageddon to defeat Edge and Kennedy.

John Cena became jealous of Batista's position, and thus, it was to be John Cena betrayed the WWE Alliance and sided with The Corporation. Ironically, as Cena entered, The Undertaker and Paul Burchill were booted out as a result of becoming "good," as Kane put it. The Undertaker and Paul Burchill would be a team, allying themselves with the WWE Alliance against the Corporation. It was in this time the Ministry officially disbanded and turmoil was in the Corps Camp.

At Wrestlemania 25, John Cena faced Batista in a Corporation versus WWE match, whereupon Batista defeated Cena. Triple H would fight against Bobby Lashley in a Corporation versus WWE match, with Triple H defeating Lashley. Kennedy and Carlito would headline Wrestlemania in a Undisputed Championship match, whereby Carlito retained against the 2009 Royal Rumble winner, being the first Champion in years to come out of Wrestlemania as the Champ against the RR winner. After this match, however, were two more. In the last Corporation versus WWE match, HBK represented the Corps while CM Punk represented the WWE. In a classic match, CM Punk defeated his idol and proclaimed the Corporation finished, making him a bonafide Main Eventer in the process. After the match, HBK changed his ways and the two men embraced, putting an end to the yearlong struggle for power...

To close Wrestlemania, however, was a match none of you'd expect in a million years. Even after being a team, Paul Burchill wanted to show his mentor, The Undertaker, that he can indeed carry the torch and become like him. In the end, The Undertaker accepted a Career Threatening and Streak ending match at Wrestlemania 25 against his two year protege, Paul Burchill. After one hellacious match, Paul Burchill defeated The Undertaker and ended his streak and retired him, but not without regretting his actions after the fact. Paul Burchill, in his respect for the Undertaker, took it upon himself to allow the Deadman one last hurrah. Thus, for the final time, The Undertaker kneeled down and in darkness, whitened his eyes and exposed his tongue in Deadman fashion. For the first time in the Undertaker's career, he had been defeated at WM, and it was time to move on. Thus, in a final show of respect, The Undertaker raised Paul Burchill's hand in triumph, and the two were given a massive ovation. After, The Undertaker proceeded to leave, but before doing so, he looked back at Burchill and raised his arm, the lights went pitch black, and as they came on again, The Phenom was nowhere to be seen, and was gone for good, closing Wrestlemania 25......
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Okay thats the rule for deceased wrestlers and its all a very boring subject imo, but twas just wondering if said example below would be seen as rule breaking or not, as I'm a good lad.

So if say I wanted to do a WWE BTB set in 2003 lets say, but wanted to change some aspects of the past to therefore alter the World in which I'd be booking, for instance let me come up with something, lets say in the backstory I state that Owen Hart was suspended and subsequently released from his WWF contract, because he refused to perform his planned entrance at the Over The Edge pay-per-view event. Now this action would mean in my BTB World he isn't dead and as such I might want to bring him into my WWE World in 2003.

I personally don't see too much of a problem with such, despite my BTB not technically being set before a wrestlers actual departure from Earth date, simply because I'd be creating an alternative World within my BTB via backstory points made. However I realize many peeps here have issues with said subject of using wrestlers gone before their time, but I do not want to start up that debate again or hear peeps opinions on subject as a whole really, just simply if the stated example above would be seen as rule breaking or not. Much thankage.
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WCW Rules, that was awesome! I was one looking forward to the Rumble, it's sad you can't continue the BTB, but that was awesome. Mr. Kennedy becoming the World Heavyweight Champion! Holy shit after that, that was fucking intense. Like Attitude Era all over again. Burchill defeat Undertaker!? :O
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Echoed, WCW Rules, that looked like one awesome year of the E. Would have been very impressive if you had managed to pull it off!

Here's a question for peeps...given The Undertaker's CURRENT character, which I am using, would you say that it is realistic to make him talk a lot more, like he did back in the Ministry days? Or will I have to bring back Paul Bearer? Or both? I'm running out of ideas/angles for him when he can't talk to further the feuds!
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Today, WWE keeps Undertaker limited on the microphone in an attempt to keep his character "mysterious". However I think that Undertaker should be able to talk on the microphone more if given the right material. I don't think he needs Paul Bearer as a manager. Kane on the other hand, is a different matter.
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Today, WWE keeps Undertaker limited on the microphone in an attempt to keep his character "mysterious". However I think that Undertaker should be able to talk on the microphone more if given the right material. I don't think he needs Paul Bearer as a manager. Kane on the other hand, is a different matter.
Yeah, that's what I'd like to do, keep him mysterious. But by only having him talk very occasionally, I'm restricting myself. It furthers feuds if he can get on the microphone and say a sizeable piece, ya know? There's only so far you can go by letting his actions speak for him. That's why Paul Bearer crossed my mind - I thought about letting him do 'Taker's talking in backstage segments and have 'Taker say the odd line to add to it every once in a while. Either that, or let him talk more frequently like he did in the Ministry of Darkness days, but that's taking the element of mystery away.
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Yeah, that's what I'd like to do, keep him mysterious. But by only having him talk very occasionally, I'm restricting myself. It furthers feuds if he can get on the microphone and say a sizeable piece, ya know? There's only so far you can go by letting his actions speak for him. That's why Paul Bearer crossed my mind - I thought about letting him do 'Taker's talking in backstage segments and have 'Taker say the odd line to add to it every once in a while. Either that, or let him talk more frequently like he did in the Ministry of Darkness days, but that's taking the element of mystery away.
At the end of the day I can't tell you what to do. You're the booker so you need to make the decision. Also, note that I said he doesn't need Paul Bearer, not that he shouldn't have Bearer. I think it could add to his character to have Bearer as a manager, but he can speak for himself.
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