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Re: Presenting: Paul Heyman's Evolution Pro Wrestling.
Alrighty, thanks for the reviews again guys. I've been away for a few days, hence my non existance of late.
I will wait for Crazian, Boogeyman and a couple of the other reviews I'm expecting to roll in and then I will have a rebuttle to a few points - especially some of Apple Spitter's  - and an analysis of the PPV and why I made certain decisions as well as a few EXCUSES, that's right, you read it  , excuses. hahaha.
On the highly controversial review topic, I haven't returned ANY PPV reviews YET. So please don't think I've forgotten. I'm going back to work tomorrow and I'll be seeing when I next have some days off, and those will be the days I really get into returning these reviews. I might try and knock a couple off tomorrow night if I can somehow manage to make myself girlfriendless for the evening.
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10-01-2007, 06:00 AM
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Re: Presenting: Paul Heyman's Evolution Pro Wrestling.
Didn't have enough time to write a full review, so I just did some comments and rated the matches.
Out of Exile Review:
Match 1: Brian Danielson vs. CM Punk vs. Austin Aries
A good choice for a opener as a match like this would get a crowd fired up right off the bat. Relatively, Aries did not get as much offense in this match and seemed to be more like a 3rd wheel in this match. You utilized their move sets well until near the end where you used basically all of Punks main moves in one go.
7.5/10
Match 2: Brock Lesnar vs. Christian Cage
I liked that you did not follow the usual formula of matches that involve a powerhouse like Brock Lesnar. Usually you see the powerhouse dominate most of the match before the smaller guy makes a comeback, but you let Christian get a great amount of offense while still showing Lesnar's strength. Great use of the Unprettier near the end.
8/10
Match 3: Colt Cabana vs. Muhamad Hassan
I didn't really like the finish with Punk screwing Hassan out. I expected Cabana to win cleanly, but Hassan to attack him from the back. Then Punk comes out and cleans house. A decent match overall.
7/10
Match 4: LAX vs. WGTT, Ladder Match
In my opinion, this was the match of the night. The use of the ladder was fantastic and the transition between spots was good. Psicosis and Juventud coming out was a good touch and should set up a great feud.
9/10
Match 5: Chris Jericho vs. Samoa Joe, Last Man Standing
Because it involved these 2 wrestlers, I expected this to be
alot better than what it was. Don't get me wrong, it was a above average match, but I actually expected more. Finish was good with two Muscle Busters. I absolutely loved when Chris Jericho pulled Joe in for the Walls of Jericho after the match.
7.5/10
Match 6: Edge vs. Chris Benoit vs. Rhino, Three Way Dance
Good match overall. You use their move sets well most of the time which is good. To be honest, Edge winning was predictable, due to the recent reports of the network not wanting Rhino to get to much spotlight. Plus I doubt that you would give a dead wrestler the title.
8.5/10
Great show overall, and from now on I will try to review your shows daily.
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10-01-2007, 10:02 AM
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Re: Presenting: Paul Heyman's Evolution Pro Wrestling.
Match 1
EPW Pacific Championship
Triple Threat Match
Bryan Danielson v CM Punk v Austin Aries
Never really gotten a chance to see Danielson in a match, but Aries and of course Punk, I have seen their work before in the ring. Great psychology in this match. Punk though seems to be a bit better than Aries and Danielson. Ending of the match was great and Danielson tapping to the Anaconada Vice from Punk, was a good way to end the match. Looks like a possible Punk/Aries feud might start from this match. ***
Rhino’s promo was good and in character but Homicide and Hernandez entering the segment kind of made the promo fall a bit flat, as the promo really never picked back up after they left.
Match 2
Number 1 Contenders Match
Brock Lesnar v Christian Cage
I’m really surprised that Brock did not hit the F-5 in the match at least once. I read the match twice, and did not see Brock hit the move. However Brock hit a lot of other signature moves. I must comment on Christian connecting with the stunner to counter the German Suplex, as that was completely original for a counter to that move. Christian Cage, I think hit too many of his signature moves in this match. However with Cage winning the match, I have a feeling that Edge will be leaving the new World Champ and an Edge/Christian Cage feud will take place from there. ***
Hassan’s promo was kind of out of character, as it seemed like he really didn’t play up to his character. As far as the LAX/Heyman segment, it could have been scrapped, or been done in a better way.
Match 3
Singles Match
Muhammad Hassan v Colt Cabana
Surprised that this match turned out to be really good, as I thought that it would be average at first. However the match really picked up towards the final couple of minutes. Punk coming out and attacking Davari was great as it continues the storyline between Punk and Hassan’s group. Cabana picking up the win was great, and it looks like a possible Punk/Cabana vs. Hassan’s group feud possibly down the road in this thread. ***
Joe/Maria segment-I literally LOL at this segment. Jericho has been great in this feud, and Joe really played a great heel in this segment as well. Even though it’s the Ballroom, I have a feeling that both men will be cheered in the match.
LAX finally find K-Dawg, and it looks like it is going to be a big match between LAX and the WGTT.
Match 4
Tag Team
Ladder Match
EPW World Tag Team Championships
The Latin American Exchange, Homicide & Hernandez v The Worlds Greatest Tag Team, Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas
I like how you’re incorportating the crowd’s reaction to the matches so far. This was the best match on the card so far. So many spots, including the Border Toss onto the ladder, and the Sunset Flip Powerbomb from off of the ladder. The disadvantage that LAX had in the match was written greatly in this match. LAX are the Tag Champs, and this match is a possible MOTY candidate. ****
Noble is now in this thread. From some of his non WWE matches that I have seen, he is a great wrestler, and he was able to go from a pop to a bunch of heat from the audience in a matter of moments, which means that he will be used in a great role in this thread. Great commentary by the way as well.
Match 5
Last Man Standing Match
Chris Jericho v Samoa Joe
The opening of the match was completely in Joe’s favor, a little bit too much IMO. However Jericho shows why he is such a great heel in attacking Joe. I will admit, that Jericho attemping a leg drop through the announce table was very unlike Jericho. A moonsault or even the elbow could have been better. I’m loving how much you have involved the crowd in this match, but hey it’s the Hammerstein Ballroom, and any other way wouldn’t be right. Joe has kicked Jericho’s ass in this match and wins the match. However Jericho attacks Joe in the aftermath to continue this feud as this match was excellent! ****.25
Great promo from Edge. Edge is able to get the crowd to give him heat, as this match is going to be huge. Monty Brown is coming to EPW. That is huge news for this thread!
Match 6
Main Event
Final of the World Title Tournament
EPW World Championship Match
Rhino v Edge v Chris Benoit
Still surprised to see only six matches on the card. What a match. Rhyno is gone first, as I kind of expected, and Edge and Benoit wrestle a great match. Edge, however wins and is the World Champion. I had a feeling Edge would win once Cage won earlier in the evening. Looking forward to the Edge/Cage feud. ****
Overall Comments: The show started off kind of slow, but continued to pick up as the event progressed. The final three matches were excellent. Great work and looking forward to your next show. Overall Grade: B
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10-02-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: Presenting: Paul Heyman's Evolution Pro Wrestling.
Out of Exile Review
Opening - Video package was a little lackluster. I know you said you threw it in late but really, your fed wouldn't 100% need it. Commentary did it's job though, and set the right tone.
Triple Threat - Great match with tonnes of action, but I have to say the momentum was way off. CM Punk owned this match alot. And when I say alot, I mean like 90% of it. The way it seemed to me, Punk was getting in all the big stuff while Danielson got in a bit of momentum, and Aries seemed non existant for the majority. Theres building somebody to be a Champion, and then theres making it look like a total squash. It also wasn't helped by the fact that Punk had two clear pinning predicaments (The GTS and the Pepsi Plunge) both ignored, only for him to win anyway. You noted that there was no resistance for about ten seconds after Punk first got in the Vice, and that would have easily given Punk the win after then. It was an entertaining match with never a dull moment, but just didn't build things the right way at all.
Rhino promo - Good hype for the main event, and hopefully we see some more of it. The LAX interaction was brief, but aslong as it works out interesting later it's all grand by me.
Lesnar/Cage - Awesome match. Definetly one for the portfolio. Alot of both mens movesets used up, aswell as some nice innovativeness aswell. Not an awful lot I can say here, but hats off for a great match. Looking at who's in the main event, you booked this really well and Cage vs one of the other three should be an exellent fued to read. Kudo's here.
Hassan promo - Some good strong build for the next match, as the night has been very face orientated thus far. Not a bad promo. Plus, LAX appearing again did some more good for their match, and makes it seem more important. From the looks of things, Homicide and Hernandez are on their own tonight.
Hassan/Cabana - First of all while Cabana seemed himself in moveset, it never really felt like the match captured Colt's personality.Some of his Team SHAG stuff and even alot of ROH stuff shows he has a cheeky side in the ring, and it would have added alot to see a little at the beginning of the match, especially with an opponent so easy to rib. In terms of the match itself, it was good to see you didn't built this up to be like another half hour main event style match, and the 12 minutes and limited action was definetly the right way to go for realism and to make the latter stages seem more hyped. While I didn't think the Vice move was needed at ringside, you told a great story here and made it all seem real.
Joe promo - Seemed very strong and in-character stuff from Joe. Not alot to say but these promo's need a bit of variety in them, as the past three have all been under the same format. The LAX stuff seemed great untill they found the body of Konnan. The two body's running away made it seem like it's likely to be Juvi and Psycosis who made the attacks, not WGTT, whereas them just finding Konnan in general would have saved the suprise a little more.
Ladder Match - Orchestrated very well. Juvi and Psy came in at just the right time, as it looked like an LAX win in the bag there just before (seen by how long WGTT took to get back in the ring). While having Juvi and Psy taken away by EMT's seemed a little radical considering how much the two other teams took (in terms of pain) it was neccessary to get them out of the match. Marked for alot of the spots, like the samoan drop on the ladder and the T-bone off it, and the finish itself was great. Definetly made a face team worthy of the belts out of LAX. Coming weeks should be great.
Noble promo - The weakest part of the show so far if I'm honest. Noble came across as mid-card at best, was given mic time in an unorthadox way, passed off a timid attack and simply made no real impression on me as a reader. He could have done alot more as a debutee, like for example what Scott Steiner did at Survivor Series 2002, instantly making the name. I hope we get something stronger from him in time.
Joe/Jericho - For the most part in terms of excitement, this one definetly went the distance needed. Alot of big moves, alot of big spots, and alot of near finishes. What caught me as akward though is the flurry so early on in the match, where you could have built slower towards the end. There was a seven count very close to the start, and before we knew it, there was nine counts all over the place. Not the best start to a big match, where both are meant to be billed as equals. My only other bitch is the constant talking throughout. It seemed totally bullshit to see them talking so much in the match, especially since they were timid lines, meant nothing, added nothing and just seemed like they were there for length. I know you may have wanted it to seem more personal, but still, it wouldn't have been heard on TV anyway. What I did like though was the finish, as it meant the heel getting the clean(ish) win in the big match didn't take too much away from the face.
Edge promo - Haha, pushing Maria off camera after telling her she wasn't in any danger was a great move, and very in character. Some nice hype for the main event, and while it was dissapointing not to see a similar interview with Benoit, it was good enough to have gotten two of them I suppose. Ok promo.
Brown hype - Decent signing and I hope it works out. As you'd expect, theres not alot for me to give you feedback on here :/ lol
Main Event - Good solid main event here Para, which left some key notes. The finish for the Rhino fall was creative, which is good to see, and definetly weeded out the weaker of the three men to leave you with a bigger finish to the show. What I definetly didn't expect was a clean win from the heel, and to see the commentators and the fans treat him as a face at the end too. Definetly out of the blue but with your first PPV, it gave a "We're different" impression from EPW. Where you go from here in terms of Rhino (de-push?) and Benoit (phased out all together?) I don't know, but your Title scene definetly looks promising.
Overall a very good show Para, which, in my opinion, proved as to why you should be regarded as one of the better bookers in the section today. Congrats on the milestone, and I hope to see more of the same soon.
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10-04-2007, 11:59 AM
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Re: Presenting: Paul Heyman's Evolution Pro Wrestling.
OK, I promise to you that I will have a review up for Out of Exile over the weekend. I have read the whole show and I have to say that it is truly phenomenal. Again, sorry it's taking so long just been very busy.
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Re: Presenting: Paul Heyman's Evolution Pro Wrestling.
Cool as mate. Since it doesn't really look like anyone else is going to pop in with a review, I'll wait for Crazian and Bartman to get theirs up this weekend, and then I'll put up an analysis and such.
Once again, I thank each and everyone of you that have taken the time to review my PPV, it means a lot and I'm truly shocked and delighted by how well it has been recieved.
On that note, thanks to everyone that voted for me in that mega standings thing too, I was stunned that I came in 5th. I didn't think it'd even rate a mention in the 15.
I've had a bit of a break from the computer for the past week or so, all the time I'd put into finishing the PPV and handing out the reviews I owed everyone in a short period of time, as well as Work, renovating my house, my overly time consuming girlfriend and other commitments all really started to catch up with me. You can all expect me to start reviewing this weekend, a lot of you I will probably return them on the next show you post. A PM to let me know when you've posted a show would be fantastic!
So remember, next week sometime, maybe Monday - Analysis and a rebuttle to some comments made, then later in the week I'll have some News and Notes up regarding the fall out to the PPV and I might even have a Preview up for the FALLOUT SHOW very soon as I've actually started writing the show earlier than I expected too, but I definitely got a bit carried away in writing the first match as it is very long for a TV match!
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Re: Presenting: Paul Heyman's Evolution Pro Wrestling.
PARANoIR, I'm running really, really, really behind with your PPV review, mainly because I've just started University and am running short on free time. I have started the review though, and WILL get it up eventually. I don't want you to wait for me though, as I'll post it regardless. I'm very sorry about all this, mate
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Re: Presenting: Paul Heyman's Evolution Pro Wrestling.
Out of Exile Feedback:
Ok, good call on the opening match as this seems like the only opening option for the show really. Good to see Aries and Punk teaming together early on but of course, we know that’s going to stop soon. Punk’s getting some offense in early and surprised a bit to see the knee/bulldog combo in so early. Punk is getting some major offense in early and I still think he’s going to be the one taking the title. Punk’s pretty much been the star of the match so far early on with the Shining Wizard and just now his huge Suicidial move to the outside. Hmmm, I think Punk got up a little too early after his dive to the outside on Aries. He should have played it off a bit. Haha, forgot about Aries until he interfered. I really don’t see Aries taking the title, especially after the beginning so to me, it’s all down to Danielson and Punk now. Kind of shocked that American Dragon tapped out as really, I think it would have been better for Aries to take the fall as Danielson has been getting more of a push to me at least.
Yeah, I doubt Rhino takes the title, haha.
Kind of surprised to see such a huge match early on but now thinking of it, pretty much every match is huge tonight so this is really no surprise to see it on early. Cool way to start the match with Christian being a normal face, trying to get into the head of Lesnar. Um, I can’t see Christian doing a plancha. Well not only that but it’s kind of been overused already as it was used in the first match and I can almost guarantee it’ll happen in the Ladder Match. Oh never mind, it was a Cross Body. Ok, I can see that now. I liked the Hurricanrana reversal, pretty sweet to picture. F-5 fairly early on which makes me think Christian still stands a chance. Holy shit that chair spot with the Frog Splash would have definitely been sick. I think Christian got up WAY too early from that chair shot though. Never heard of a CCT? Meh, to me the Unprettier was way over done and they were all jammed in too. That and those damn Inverted DDT’s. It was still a great match though, tops the opener which was classic too.
Hassan didn’t sound right at all. Not once did I hear him say something negative about the Americans, which is in his character. He pretty much has to do so to get his heel heat but not once did he say anything.
I don’t know anything about Colt, so pretty much anything he does, I have no clue haha. Don’t you just love the Hammerstein Ballroom crowd. Poor Daivari with that steel chair and listen to what he gets, haha. WOW! Thank god Punk is hear as to be honest, this match has bored the hell out of me. I know nothing about Cabana and I could never stand Hassan back then. I can’t really comment much on the match as like I said, I know limited about Cabana but still, I think Punk coming down and helping Cabana of course signifies possibly a Second City Saints Reunion and if so, I think we might see a tag match re-match of sorts between these four men in the future.
I liked Joe’s interview and it brought out the comical side of Maria. Of course, we know that WGTT didn’t take down Konnan so really, I can only wonder who it was. I really have no clue or any thoughts on who it could be.
And probably the match that I have been looking forward to the most here tonight. Let’s go ahead and get it on! Meh, I had a feeling a Plancha was coming but this early on? Oooo, sick move with Hernandez, Haas, and Benjamin as it’s hard to picture. The Powerbomb off the ladder is called the Sunset Flip Powerbomb. Damn, I think you’ve got Shelton taking WAY too much of a beating so early on. Damn, and then a Border Toss. They’ll be lucky if they can walk, lol. Nice, I thought it might have been Juvy and Psicosis that attacked Konnan and I think that’s who it is after this. It’s got to be! Nice time to see them come out here! I also feel that blood has been overplayed WAY too much tonight as it’s been in the past three matches. Meh, I’m not that fond of another Suicide Dive as I think they’ve been WAY over done tonight. I don’t know why Homicide would deliver the Tope as for heels, it would make more sense to grab the titles. I really thought from the beginning that WGTT was going to take it for the beating they took during the match but probably this is the most shocking result of the night so far. It does make sense though as it seem Juvy and Psicosis are gonna go after the belts and who knows, we might have a big Triple Threat Tag Match in the future.
I liked Noble’s promo and the unpredictability part was cool with him taking out Hemme. That will get him some major heat of course and I’m glad that you’re bringing in Noble to give him a solid push. I wouldn’t mind a Noble vs. Punk match in the future at all.
I like Joe’s thinking at the beginning of the match. Very creative. DAMN! We’ve already got a nine count. I agree with Boogeyman in the fact that the counts are going WAY too fast right now. Meh, another suicide dive but thank god they missed it. Stupid move on Jericho’s part but it’s something a face would normally do to try and “steal” the show so to speak. I knew there was going to be blood here so I thought it could have been saved for this match instead of the past three too. Knew the Walls was going to play a part eventually but really, he’s going to have to keep it locked in for a while to even think about Joe not getting up from it. I don’t think Joe has needed to do all these diving moves to get himself over as a heel and work over Jericho because really, his power should be what is taking Jericho down. Joe gets the win and Jericho is going to get over big time from this too because of the fight he put up. Overall, probably the best “Action-packed” match of the night despite seeing dives from Joe which I felt weren’t needed. Other than that, it was a good fight, that’s for sure.
Edge’s promo was just like him. Classic Edge with him pushing Maria out of the way and well, I must say he seems to be the favorite since you said Benoit is going to get phased out of the thread in the future.
Edge-o-Matic early on? I’m not that fond of one of his bigger moves being pulled out so early here tonight. But after Rhino hit the Spinebuster, it seems they are all going out big early on to try and secure that title win tonight. And there is my point with the Gore once again! I thought Edge was a goner after that second Gore. Wow, that’s a freaking awesome elimination for Rhino. Never had thought about that one! I wasn’t that fond of the ending of the PPV with the fans cheering Edge but it was mainly because of his effort in the match so that’s fine. Edge winning wasn’t really a surprise to me considering Benoit leaving the thread soon but um, overall you ended the night with a great, fast paced match.
Overall, it was a great PPV and really showed that you do have a bright future ahead of you here in BTB. I think also this will show people that with only six matches, you can make one hell of a PPV. There wasn’t a bad match and probably the weakest one, that being Cabana vs. Hassan still was a fun match to read. So overall, enjoy this as this was my first PPV review in no telling how long but hey, I’ve been looking forward to this for months. Thanks for the read man.
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Re: Presenting: Paul Heyman's Evolution Pro Wrestling.
Out of Exile Review
Alright, this should be great. Here we go! Good commentary to start off hyping up the show.
Danielson vs. Punk vs. Aries - What an excellent match to start off the show with these three very talented wrestlers. Should be a MOTN contender, but then again, so should most matches on your card. Good double team to start from Aries, and Punk but the Fisherman suplex shouldn't have been used this early in the match. More impact moves for later. Teamwork stops soon after. :| Some pretty quick action with everyone involved at this point. That's good. You must love Punk. It's basically only him getting the offense, which is okay, but if it continues, it's not good for the match. Aries seems too weakened despite not being in the match too long. K, I definitely have to say something at this point. It's basically hit a move, pin attempt, hit a move, pin attempt, and on, and on. That really kills the flow, and realism of the match. Also, some detail would be great, as it would be easier to picture. Punk wins, which I'm not surprised about. I think Punk got 2/3s of the offense in this match, and Danielson with the majority of what's left over. I think the match could have been so much better if it went on longer, and the wrestlers weren't as tired, and worn out as you made them look. Also, try to spread the offense around so that it's not a one man match. Other than that, it was an good match despite me expecting better.
Rhino/Homicide/Hernandez Promo - I'm starting to hate how after every question from an interviewer, the promo goes on by saying, "my thoughts" or "how do I feel". It's getting old, and used over, and over. I don't like how he specifically calls out Edge, but not Benoit, and he isn't really intense as Rhino usually is. So hit/miss for his character. Random interruption, which to me wasn't needed at all. Rhino finishing it off after that was useless for me. Okay promo, I guess.
Cage vs. Lesnar - Absolutely loved the start of the match, and how they're both trying to get at each other, and trying to better the other. Not something you see often written in matches. Some good action early on, but a surprising spinebuster this early. Plus the nearfall. I think nearfalls, and more impact moves are better for later in the match. Not really liking the flow right now. It's like they're taking turns doing moves. F5 taking out the ref. Pretty early for a finisher, no? Nice F5 counter. The follow up of an Unprettier was unnecessary imo. He just pulled off a nice counter, and now the Unprettier is hit. The Unprettier doesn't look as great as the counter, so it was a bad time to pull it off. Now a missed frog splash. I think you put too many chair spots so close to each other. I think after the counter, the Unprettier, and frog splash were unnecessary. Christian has been made to seem fatigued, so I'd expect some time from Christian to recover, before pulling off a move, and then trying to revive the ref. Just what I would do. Spear was a nice touch. I don't know, some of the moves now don't seem as exciting because of the spots earlier in the match. Belly to belly was nice. Unprettier onto the steel steps = ratingz. Wtf. I didn't like the ending. Cage makes Lesnar to go to hell, and Lesnar pulls nothing off, but kicks out a few times. Cage then pins him with a simple Unprettier. Definitely didn't like that. And the middle spots were way to early in the match, and made the rest of the match look bad.
Hassan Promo - Again with the part of the question being used in the answer. A little cockiness from Hassan. That's seems like him. By the looks of it, Hassan vs. Punk in the future for a feud. Could be great. Surprised not to see any racism complaints in this promo. Hassan was okay for character, and flow. Things could have been worded better, but I'm being picky. Oh, and LAX are still looking? Wats up wit dat?
Cobana vs. Hassan - Colt is surprising taking advantage of Hassan early on in this match. I don't remember if I've said this yet, but some detail would definitely help the reader out, and him the reader understand what's happening more. Some okayish, but boring action now. Hah @ Daivari. Gotta have some comedy in a Cobana match. Don't like how Hassan hit a dropkick after getting pwned by Cobana. I think all three matches have had people kicking out of finishers now. That's not good, as it makes the wrestler, and their finisher look weak. After his finisher, Hassan hits one of his signature moves, and Cobana kicks out of that too. :| That's not cool. Punk is though. :P Punk is acting heelish despite being a face? Cobana with another missed springboard moonsault? Anaconda Vice at ringside? You don't know how awkward things are looking as I'm picturing things right now. Cobana wins. A few things though. Most of the entertaining action was in the middle of the match. That shouldn't be. I should be on the edge of my seat towards the end. Punk's character wasn't clear. Is he face, or is he heel? Also, the action didn't make that much sense towards the end, and because of this, and other things noted, this match is probably the worst in the night so far. I'm going with Cage/Lesnar as MOTN so far.
Samoa Joe Promo - Not a bad Joe promo. Started off okay, but he needed the start to ignite the fire in him. Some of the lines weren't him, but I liked it anyways. Konnan takin' out? And the blame goes immediately to WGTT? Should make the tag match more exciting, I guess.
LAX vs. WGTT - Whoa, crazy, and confusing start. Real fast paced with the ladder already. Creative spot there with Haas hitting a German on Hernandez while Hernandez hits a Belly to Belly on Benjamin. Don't know if it could happen, but it's creative. T-Bone Suplex from Benji was random, and came out of nowhere. Pretty early to hit a finisher too despite being a ladder match. Powerbomb was a nice spot too. Damn, a lot of spots in this one. Looking more like a spotfest than a match. Also, these guys don't seem as fatigued as they should be. If they went through what they're going through, I wouldn't expect them to be standing for a while. Again, a lot of action involving the ladders. Border Toss spot was pretty sick. I have to admit. Again though, match is a spotfest. Juvi, and Psi trying to steal the titles? Interesting. LAX is basically feuding with Juvi, and Psi during the match. WGTT almost win it. 2 quick Germans from Haas and a failed attempt to grab the titles. Hernandez with a suicide dive = ratingz. Some okayish action now, and a nice spot from Benji to Hernandez off the ladder. Again, some okayish action. I think the match got a little boring. These guys should be more fatigued then they're put out to be. Some of the moves done now should have been done earlier in the match for sure. You've had spots that would have been better at this part of the match. LAX wins. First feud is probably wit Juvi/Psi. Match was good. I just think it was more of a spotfest. I like how you accentuated the spots, and stuff like that. MOTN so far for sure. Most entertaining for me.
Noble Promo - Suspicious stuff from Heyman before the match. Lol. I don't think Noble is a JOKE. Hah. Not bad. I like the attitude, and gimmick from Noble. He should provide some entertaining matches.
Jericho vs. Joe - Already a seven count to start? Wow! Too early for that imo. After a seven count, Jericho is able to fight like that? Wow. I liked the slap. Nice touch. Crazy nine count that's like only 5 minutes into the match. That's fucked. Crash, and burn suicide dive is not cool. Lionsault is cool. Damn, another long count. I wouldn't expect it, and long o****s are usually for later in matches. Some okay action, and a missed leg drop that becomes an eight count. Jericho has been getting pwned so far in this match. Honestly, he's been through more of the long counts. Joe's killing him. Some okayish action. For a last man standing match, it's not as great as the ladder match. This one doesn't have that many good spots at all. Complete opposite of the ladder match. :| Honestly man, Joe is getting like 80% of the offense. It's not right. Jericho should have been finished already if that was actually the case. The accentuating of the important things is good. Hah, Joe has gone for a lot of aerial moves this match too. Joe wins. Nice, but Jericho still pwned him after the match. I don't know, I guess your trying to leave Jericho with a good status rather then making him look weak. Jericho definitely looked really weak this match. Joe got most of the offense, and that wasn't right. You didn't use a lot of their movesets, which I was disappointed in too. This match wasn't really entertaining to me either. It was pretty boring, and a drag to read.
Edge Promo - Opening comments, and comments towards Maria didn't seem right at all. Bashing WWE = ratingz. It was a short promo to me, but I got the point. I think you could have lengthened it though. Edge was okay for character as well. I couldn't picture him saying everything he did.
Monty Brown Promo - Meh. Never really liked him, but I guess he could help out you're fed.
Rhino vs. Edge vs. Beniot - I'm not gonna lie, I'm quite tired at this point, so I'm mostly gonna skim through. Beniot's surprise belly to belly was random. If he's a face, which I think he is, that was unnecessary. Some pretty damn impacting moves early on, which is quite shocking as well. I'd expect some chain wrestling or some brawling, but DDTs, and suplexes? :| Gore really early on as well. Damn man. Gore + Electric Chair = ratingz. But, and this is a huge but, too many Gores makes the move look less like a finisher, and more like a typical move. That's not good. Instead of powerbombing Beniot, a pin attempt on Edge would have been good. Edge with a spear now. Nice. Crossface! And then some suplexes. Benoit is on a roll now. Lol @ the way Rhino was eliminated. Pretty cool imo. Nice idea. From Crossface to Sharpshooter. What's the point rly? Suicide dive into the guard rail? Like the one from Summerslam when Benoit faced Orton? If so, that was crazyyy. Some good action between the two. I'm liking the match with only these two much better. There's a shit load of suplexes. And the flow is much better in this match than in previous ones. Another Sharpshooter? The third this match? The repetition is boring. See, another Edge-O-Matic. In a match, Edge wouldn't hit two Edge-O-Matics. Edgecution from the top rope was cool. Benoit is like Jericho in the last match. Getting fucking owned. Meh, and then a spear that gets Edge the win. Nice. Of the three, Edge is the best choice for champ. Good stuff. I have a few things to say, but I'll say it in the overall because it goes for most matches.
Overall - Your match writing skills are spectacular, but a few things to improve on. Don't use the possum thing all the time. It gets repetitive. Also, some detail would definitely help out the reader. I get confused sometimes, and don't get what's happening. More detail would definitely help. Promos are okay. My suggestions for improving by watching videos of the people your writing the promo with. Act is out if you have to. Other than that, I must say this was one helluva PPV, and I'll definitely continue reading. Your definitely an underrated booker that should get more praise. Keep up the good work.
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Money in the Bank.
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Re: Presenting: Paul Heyman's Evolution Pro Wrestling.
Out of Exile Analysis
Once again, the opening video was added two minutes before posting, I know it was shite, but I feel it did the job.
Firstly, a few comments were made about me not incorporating crowd involvements, that certain matches didn’t flow too well, more descriptions were needed in some matches and that certain aspects ie. Suicide Dives & Playing Possum got repetitive, while I agree that both of those in particular did get repetitive, I wrote the majority of these matches around 5 – 6 months ago when I wasn’t quite the match writer that I feel I am now and I just didn’t take things like repetitiveness into consideration.
CM Punk v Austin Aries v Bryan Danielson
CM Punk wasn’t always winning this match. I was tossing up between him and Aries, it was never going to be Danielson, because I have some HUGE plans for him down the track. I am a huge Punk fan, and that in the end was why I decided to go with him as champion. After re-reading it, a lot of you are right in the fact that Aries did go missing a little bit and Punk really did take control, but I don’t mind that because I wanted Punk to look immense although I didn’t even realise that Aries went missing there for a bit. I’m quite happy with the response this match received to be honest, as I was a little bit worried about how it would go over.
Christian Cage v Brock Lesnar
In this match I wanted to really put over Christian’s resilience while also still putting over Lesnar as a near unstoppable monster. Christian was also going to win this, Lesnar was never an option. A lot of you said I overused the Unprettier, but I don’t think I did to be honest since there was one when there was no Referee and I feel it suited the current flow of the match given Lesnar just hit an F-5, One was on steel steps on the outside and Lesnar managed to muster up enough to kick out because Christian took so long in getting back in the ring and obviously the third one was to put him away. I don’t think it makes the finisher look weak, it simply leaves Lesnar with a bit of credibility. I thought the Modified Stunner counter to the German was pretty cool and something different. To be honest with you all, I think most of you have overrated this match a lot. I wasn’t all that happy with it, I didn’t think it was bad, but I didn’t think it was all that great all the same, so I was pleasantly surprised by the response. I know there was some shock that this match was on the card so early, but the reasoning for that is simple, well there are actually two. 1. Because I wanted to build the suspense of the whole Konnan thing a bit more and 2. I didn’t want Punk in back to back matches.
Muhammad Hassan v Colt Cabana
Obviously a filler match on the card, it was only there to give the impending CM Punk v Muhammad Hassan feud some exposure as it’s obvious that’s what’s in the works so I don’t think I’m spoiling anything. I tossed up between whether giving Hassan the win or not and in the end I think Punk costing Hassan the win was the best way to go because I’d already made it clear that Punk was coming for Hassan after he won the Pac. Title. I know a lot of you said that Anaconda Vice at ringside to Daivari wasn’t needed but I think it was to follow up the new intense type of character I’m trying to portray with him and after what he did to Sonjay Dutt on the last Enslaved I don’t think it was all that out of character. I don’t think this match was that bad, I think just about everyone’s assessments of it have been pretty fair but definitely the weakest match on the card, and I never expected anything more from it to be honest.
LAX v WGTT
This one was a giant spotfest and I alluded to that during the match. It was my favourite match on the card but I still wasn’t sure how well it would be received and I was glad to see that it went over better than I could have imagined. I had a lot of fun writing it, because it gave me a chance to get really innovative with some of the moves and really brutal too, which was good. I know a few people didn’t like the Tope Con Hilo from Homicide and that was the spot I was probably most sceptical about because of ‘Cide’s heel status but I thought given the chain of the match it would be okay and I still thought it was a huge spot. The Juventud and Psicosis double cross wasn’t always planned, but pretty much as soon as I put them into the LAX I wasn’t happy with it. I didn’t think they fitted in, so I the double cross was planned and I think the way I did it, with Juvi trying to steal the straps, it shows that they’ll still be heels. I have big plans for the Tag Division, and it will definitely build off this match.
Samoa Joe v Chris Jericho
Well, probably the match with the most contentious feedback. Some liked it, some didn’t. This was actually the first match I wrote for the PPV, way back in February I think it was and thankfully I edited it MASSIVELY before posting it, because it was absolutely appalling! A total trainwreck, so getting it back where I did was okay for me. Apple Spitter made the comment that it didn’t feel like a Last Man Standing match because there wasn’t a great deal of weaponry used and foreign objects etc, that’s fair enough and I can understand that kind of comment, but I didn’t really want to go nuts with the huge spots and all the weapons, I just wanted to have them beat the holy hell out of each other – the fact the Ladder match was going to be such a spotfest swayed that as well. The Dive’s were definitely overused in this one, no argument at all. I was surprised more people didn’t point that out to be honest. I know the start was a little bit odd, I wanted it to be different but now I guess you could say I do regret doing it like that a bit because it obviously wasn’t very well received. Obviously, despite Jericho losing, I wanted to really get his resilience and his experience across in this one and I think I did that. The Walls of Jericho was done to have Jericho leaving on the high despite not winning the match – I’m in a split mind as to whether to continue this feud or not. If there is one more match between the two, it will NOT be at the next PPV. I kind of actually regret the way I went about this feud now, I think I should’ve had a standard singles match between the two on PPV first and I think I could have made it something special, but alas not to be. I have some solid plans for Samoa Joe in this thread, purely built around his frustration at not getting any title opportunities, but do not expect some sort of Jesus push for him. As for Jericho, he is probably (along with Benoit and Edge to a lesser extent) the most credible person I have in this thread, so I really could bury him all day and have him come out looking good still but that’s not in the pipeline. I have a big feud planned for him, it might not look entirely original from the start, but by the end it will be.
Edge v Rhino v Chris Benoit
Edge was always winning this, even before Benoit’s untimely death in the real world, Edge was going to win. I always laughed at people in their reviews when they said Rhino would win the Title. Silly, silly, silly. I was happy with this match, I know the opening stanza was a bit of a clusterfuck and to be honest that’s how I wanted it to come across, just not so much and there was a bit that I probably did over do. This was another match that I wrote WAY back. I honestly thought the Gore to Edge from Rhino while Benoit was in the Electric Chair would’ve got more of a mention from reviewers, I thought that was a pretty cool spot. I’m also very happy with the reception that Rhino’s elimination has received too, I was a bit concerned that it may have been a little unrealistic but I’m glad it was well received. I obviously have big plans for Edge, Rhino will slowly drop down the card now while Benoit will be involved in 1 maybe 2 more recapped matches on Enslaved, while he will have a full match written at the next PPV which will be his FINAL match in this thread. He will then be phased out, for obvious reasons.
Another topic of contention was the “only 6 matches” issue, well the reasoning for having 6 matches is simple. I only had enough people to fill 6 matches. I was nearly going to debut Jamie Noble (whose promo I was very happy with) in a bonus match but I decided against it. However, I still think 6 matches were enough as 4 of the matches were near or over 20 minutes.
I know some of my move descriptions were a little bit lacking at times too, Apple Spitter picked up on one with the Edge Dropkick thing, yes it was meant to be the missile dropkick thing that he does from the top rope.
I’m totally stoked by the amount of reviews I’ve received and I thank each and every one of you for them. I’ve started the process of giving them back already, though I know most of the guys whom I regularly review are patient. So yeah, that was my take on things, thanks to everyone who voted for me in the BTB Awards and the Mega Standings too, btw. I didn’t expect any wards nor did I expect a mention in the Mega Standings, so thanks guys.
In terms of the next show – I have no idea. It’s in the pipeline…slowly. I’ve actually started writing a couple of the matches for the next PPV already so I’ll see how they go. Some news and notes will be up in a few days, while a preview should be up for the next show soon after that.
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