Re: Forever-Delayed does WWE
WWE Survivor Series by Forever Delayed and Kane01
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I am kind of shocked. It is not that good to be honest. Usually, there are only sporadic mistakes. It just seems like they are superfluous. It was everything from agreement to spelling. Not that big of a deal, but it is something that is not expected from you two. 8/10
107 pages is awesome! The Survivor matches were long. I loved it, you guys are great at writing matches. 10/10
I guess it is the usual Sunday Night Heat. Awesome winning might lead to something, but my guess it was just to fill.
I love that opening video. It was fantastic. The “I will survive” part is the best. Is Brock’s incomplete or supposed to be that way?
Match 1 – The Teachers © vs. MNM © vs. CM Punk/Kid Kash/Trish Stratus – 3 on 3 on 3 elimination match – WWE Tag Team Titles and the Women’s title
I do not know about handing out glasses. I like the pencils, but glasses just do not make sense. CM Punk’s elimination comes as a surprise, but you did it in a perfect way. The cheating was well executed, and it does not make CM Punk look bad in any way.
Kash eliminating Nowinski makes sense as he sort of gains revenge on the team that eliminated his partner. I wish it was clean though. Having two women is better that a woman and a man. Great collaboration and now Melina is out!! Each team is down to two. I just hope it does not boil down to a woman vs. a woman.
This teamwork is very interesting. Did not expect to see MNM help the team that eliminated Melina! A third ‘unfair’ elimination is too much. Never seen Kash do a 450 Splash. Must be an Indy move.
Wow, Kash is aerial. Too bad he is eliminated. Trish vs. Striker now; I can see Trish winning. I guess Striker winning is for the better, but Trish had one hell of an effort.
Well done as I remember you telling me this would be hard to write. The match was a bit generic though. You mixed in some exciting moves, but there were way too many suplexes and slams. A very solid opening match that should set the tone for the rest of the PPV. 7.5/10
I am actually happy that you mentioned Hart instead of trying to keep it clandestine when everyone was guessing him. I know it is Hart, I read ahead. Great ending!
8 Man Elimination Tag Team Match
The Mexicools and Tajiri v Chavo Guerrero, Billy Kidman, Paul London and Frankie Kazarian
Springboard dropkick is awesome!! London is completely insane and you are portraying him like that. I find it weird that Kidman and London are on the same team after their feud. I would definitely say this is a cruiserweight match, the moves are insane! Typical face elimination by the heel after the face had momentum.
I like Kidman falling off the turnbuckle by the Mexicools, which leads to yet another elimination. Chavo and London are down on their backs.
The time between the Kidman elimination and the Super Crazy elimination was the best part of the match so far. It had everything in it. Great counters! The faces score a pin finally.
Kind of weird that Chavo cheats to beat Psychosis. I am sick of everyone using Chavo to be Eddie, when they do not even plan on it in the thread, they just do it.
Shooting Star Press to the outside is awesome. The MVP of the match definitely is London. You have made him look omnipotent. I have a weird feeling is will be gone next as the faces usually are down at this point. Never mind, Tajiri is gone!! Juvi vs. London and Chavo! Did not see that coming, but then again, this is not your marquee match up.
London wins with the shooting star press, but that move was overused. That was a huge problem in this match. The shooting star press and the 450 splash were made hackneyed. Though, it did make London look invincible. Smackdown has started well too. 8/10
Hilarious promo there Kane! Kennedy just adds a new flavor. Dissension among heels is not good, surely this will lead to something in the world title picture. Wrong team though, Canadians play in Montreal, not the Maple Leafs. They would have cheered if Lesnar had said that. It is okay, no one cares about hockey anyways.
Triple Threat Tag Team Table Match
Dudley Boyz v Eugene and Heidenreich v Basham Brothers
I like this match set up. However, I do not like the fact that your writing style differs from Forever Delayed. You guys shoul d use the same font, bold, and pins.
Eugene stealing the Dudley’s lines works well since he emulates. Wassup headbutt is needed. Great domination by the Dudleys. Would have been terrible for the Dudleys if they lost to the 3D. Good to have the heels incite Eugene to Hogan, would not have worked with the Dudleys. Surprise elimination from the Bashams after Eugene was on fire.
Another rip off from the Bashams, which is now getting old. Dudleys do it right and keep the titles. The match was solid, but I think there were way too many rip offs. You should have just let Eugene do it all. The Bashams were overkill. 6.5/10
Amazing backstage segment! Much better than anything at Taboo Tuesday. I like the pep talk, plus the heels getting some speech in, but Christian was platinum!! Great promo! I might vote this as promo of the month. Christian dissed so many people, some outside his opponents. Fantastic!
Match 4 – The Undertaker vs. Mohammed Hassan w/Daivari
I like the beginning; Daivari and Hassan use prejudice as the answer for everything. Heels slide out of the ring, so it makes sense. Daivari is going to play a huge role in the outcome. Hassan is telling a story then if he is going to use Taker’s knee. I believe this kind of match writing is your forte, so I am already excited. Using the steps and ring post as allies always work in the story. I honestly cannot imagine Hassan powerslamming Undertaker, unless he already has in reality. I have only seen two Hassan matches, but never have I seen a powerslam. You already explained small package, but I still find it implausible. All right, my favorite part of the match: Undertaker’s signature moves!! Flatliner to chokeslam is something enjoyable because I like finishing moves countered into finishing moves. Brilliant psychology! Hassan kicks out of the chokeslam, but Daivari saves him from the Last Ride! Brass knuckles … Taker sits up!! You always have to include one of those. Called it, Daivari plays the major role in the outcome as this time, Hassan reverses a Taker finisher into the flatliner, which Daivari plays another role in by removing Taker’s foot!
This is a huge win for Muhammad Hassan. Unless the Undertaker challenges him again, then Hassan has just stepped into contending for the world title or IC title. It is early though, so do not make him a callow champion. On the other hand, Undertaker did not look weak at all as Daivari hit the two homeruns at the end. Fantastic booking in the latter part of the match! The match was better than what you said it would be; you said it would be hard to write. It has been my favorite match of the first half of the PPV. 8.25/10
Nice promo, the sterling part was the Rock part. Batista part was rather out of character.
Triple X should be a good team, tag teams are always something that should be bountiful.
Match 5 – Triple H vs. Ric Flair – I Quit
This also fits with the theme of Survivor Series. I like the way the match starts, Flair’s chops are always the perfect way to end the offensive. Suplex on the barricade is harsh, but I am sure that Flair will receive much worse. Axe handle is very unnatural especially off the barricade for HHH. There is Flair’s blood, HHH’s to come soon. There we go, the low blow!! No dq, so Flair can do it all he wants. The spot is interesting as pedigree reverses lead to bad things for HHH, but I do not understand what the slingshot is? There are many things the pedigree can be reversed too though, so I am sure it works. Steel chair opens HHH. I do not like the way the blood has started, steel post and chair are just too basic. Spot after spot!! Now Flair is through the announce table. He cannot take many of these at his age!!! Ha, I like the eye poke to the camera man. 90,000 dollar shot to Flair!! HHH is in control for now, but I see a comeback from Flair soon. Flair is superman!! He survives all that, plus, HHH connects with three pedigrees, two of them on the steel steps!! I think that you crossed the line here, it is a bit preposterous. To sell the three pedigrees more, I would have HHH taunt to the crowd or pick up a microphone and deliver a mini promo. Three pedigrees is just something recuperation will take a few minutes for. I like the sledgehammer and Flair flop as sellage too. The ball grabbage with the figure four leg lock is Flairesque! One of the best spots so far. I like the way that the rope break was used too, the heel always thinks of that as an escape in this match. Sledgehammer is the escape route then I guess, but HHH has damage to the leg. Once again, I think you went too far there, as I do not think a full baseball swing combined with a fourth pedigree, this time on a chair, is anything to survive. Sort of makes the pedigree look terribly weak and that is one of the strongest moves. HHH always does the figure – four, but it is always early, so I think Flair might quit to his own move. Sledgehammer comes into play for the win, this time on the offensive, not defensive.
Sledgehammer was the way to win since it escaped the figure four and Flair would not die to four pedigrees, three on weapons. I do not like the referee calling for the bell, Flair has to quit. Kind of leaves an acrimonious taste as it means Flair will be back and will have another match with HHH. Flair did not quit, so ……
The match was a spotfest, which I like, but at a certain point, it became spot after spot without anything in between. It would be HHH smashes Flair over the head, looks for something else, finds it, and then does it again. That was the structure of the latter part of the match. Overall, it was a great match, but it crossed the line too much as Flair too almost all the punishment. 8.5/10
You really cannot do much with Rey on the mic, but you captured him well. Orton did well too, hypes up the match more. I think Angle is the next contender.
10 Man Elimination Tag Team Match
Team Batista (Batista, The Rock, Chris Benoit, Kane and Big Show) v Team Lesner (Brock Lesner, JBL, Booker T, Ken Kennedy and Carlito
Kennedy and the Rock are perfect to start out, the mic gods! Back and forth action is a good way to start the match. Booker vs. Benoit is great because they are enemies. I am sure more will come. Lesnar’s interference saves Booker, but I am sure the heels will interfere more. I hope the eliminations have a long span between them, unlike the WWE.
Lesnar and Batista clashing is great, they are the captains. I expect the final fall to come down to them, unless there is some cheating. So far, I have noticed that the spinebuster is overused, and I expect more as many people here spinebuster. So my guess was right, the captain Batista is eliminated by cheating. Kennedy gets the pin, he is definitely someone to look out for in this thread.
Kane finally is in the ring, but I do not seem him doing anything. Great counter from JBL. Lesnar and Big Show again works, but switching it up a little is more of what I like. Certainly the power is shown with the press slam. Another cheap move, this time by Booker T, and now Big Show is gone. I have a problem with this elimination. If a heel interferes and a pin is made, then I am sure a face will break it up. They will not just watch. You need a heel to punch them off the apron or distract them. I am sure Lesnar can F-5 Show, so no problem there. Five to three for now, next fall is for the faces. Another thing is that we know a pinfall since you change the style.
Kane in the ring makes sense. Have not seen Carlito for a while either. Carlito and Kane makes sense after their awkward street fight. You did everything in that match. Finally some redemption for the faces as they set Carlito up for the Rock Bottom and pin! Carlito is the right guy to go since he is not that great of a wrestler.
I keep noticing that you name suplexes as superlexes. I do not know why, unless it is the name of a move I do not know. I love what you did with Booker. He gains some momentum, he is on a roll, he does the spinarooni, and he is eliminated. I remember that happening at the 2005 Royal Rumble.
Brock Lesnar is an absolute animal tonight. He has now eliminated Kane and Big Show. He is coming off strange, even if cheating is involved in all his pins.
Isolating the Rock is a good move. Not looking good for the faces though. It seems to me that the heels will win after a good comeback from the faces. I thought the Rock was eliminated after that Green Bay Plunge until Benoit made the unorthodox save. That is why you have to use that pin count more often, it generates mystery. Fantastic elimination with Benoit and Kennedy as a team member probably would not have noticed the count. The heels still look good in the match though.
Some cheating between JBL and Lesnar works, but they have done it enough. Another cheat to eliminate Benoit? This is overkill, not every elimination needs to be via cheating. At least it is not Lesnar with the pin this time.
If this is a typical match, the Rock will eliminate JBL, and then go one on one with Lesnar. Yup, the Rock gets his second elimination, he and Benoit have come off well.
The crowd infuriating Lesnar to get Rocky on the right track is needed because the Rock is just getting handled. Three powerbombs?? Never seen that. Fantastic ending, the reversing of finishers is the way to go. Brock Lesnar wins, probably moving him to the world title contention.
This match was very strong, I liked it, since these are my favorite kinds of matches. There were many questionable calls though. All but one of the heel eliminations were by cheating. The main problem was that some moves were terribly overused and rendered hackneyed. Gutwrench suplex, spinebuster, and the suplex just in general. Still a great match. If we go by the 200 words per second guideline, than this was a forty – five minute match. That is what I would prefer from a Survivor Series match, not a ten minute one. 9/10
I cannot wait for the main event. Oh wait, I know what is going to happen. Maria introducing him as God was funny.
Match 7 – Team Bischoff - Kurt Angle, Shelton Benjamin, Chris Masters, Edge, Christian and Coach w/Eric Bischoff, Tyson Tomko and Lita vs. Team Heyman - John Cena, Rob Van Dam, Charlie Haas, AJ Styles, Matt Hardy and the Sandman w/Paul Heyman in a 6 on 6 elimination Match
I would not have put this match right here. I would have this be after the Smackdown world title match, but you probably did this so Edge could wrestle and then take the world title from the winner of the Smackdown title match.
You are getting everyone involved, which I like. Sandman seems like a filler guy to me, as does Coach. Coach works because he is with Bischoff though. I would have preferred five on fine.
Edge and Lita take Sandman out. You do not need to make Sandman look that strong. You should have saved that for other faces. I hope Coach is next. Hardy and Edge finally, exactly what this match needs as they had that huge feud. The heels cooperating to beat down Hardy is a nice touch. Hardy makes the tag to Cena, who is bound to make an elimination soon. Uh oh, mass chaos, and the Coach is in! Bad move by Coach, good move by you!
Benjamin and Haas again; my guess would be one of the two pins the other one. I guessed right, Benjamin eliminates Haas in a brutal way. Haas does not look weak because the referee was not in the ring. Never would have guessed Haas can do a 450 Splash. Good set of counters between these two.
Once again, a bitter feud ends here as Hardy eliminates Edge, so you had a heel and a face both win, good thinking. Really does not matter though because I know what Edge is going to do later.
AJ Styles was on fire until all the interference and until Christian takes him out of the match. Once again, you did well in making sure that the face did not look weak as there was pandemonium.
There is Bischoff’s involvement then. Hope he gets ejected. Once again, after some consternation, Christian nails the unprettier, but Masters gets the pin. Masters getting a pin is huge for him. Good to see that you are sharing the wealth as I can now see the deficit coming up on the faces. Nevermind, Hardy’s pin almost evens it. Did not see that coming, but most Survivor Series matches have it. Master’s anger is a nice touch.
Cena looks like Superman as he disposes of Christian and pins Benjamin to make it a two on two match. My guess is that Hardy is next.
There we go, the Angle lock is finally in. Nice spot with Cena tagging in Hardy, but I just do not like the fact that he was completely out of it and then just awoke. The problem solver makes his entrance and goodbye to Hardy as Angle gets a pinfall. Down to Cena and Angle/Christian. Perfect circumstance for Cena as this is usually what it is down to.
Angle lock in again, and Cena slithers away again! Angle Slam to FU to pin is a nice counter. Angle is gone and now it can go in any direction with Cena and Christian. I am sure that Bischoff may do something to save his spot. Heyman really has not done anything.
Some DDTs before the Unprettier! There we go, Paul E makes an appearance. FU, but it is saved by Bischoff, leading me to believe that the heels will win this match. Cena is distracted by Tomko, leading to the Unprettier for the fourth time, and leading to the heels winning. Cena looked great once again, good thing you did not overbook him.
I do not like that heels won both Survivor Series matches. The junxtaposition was not that great either. However, both of you wrote fantastic matches. These matches are my favorite. Christian winning made it better. The two matches put to together took up more than eighty minutes. Great job and I look forward to the title matches, which are the only two that breach the survivor theme. The Canadians win theme is starting up. 9.25/10
World Heavyweight Championship
Rey Mysterio v Randy Orton
I like the spot by Mysterio to start things off. The momentum shifts from Rey to Randy now, well done as Rey was just dominating to start. I like the reversals of finishers early as I do not like finishers early. I have never seen Orton doing shoulder thrusts, but I guess the move set has to change with Rey. I like the use of the steel post as it has not been done yet. Hmm, never seen him doing the full nelson slam either. Finally, some excitement from Orton, the RKO! No, Rey kicks out! Greatest part of the match so far. Rey does a full 360 as he connects with 619 and springboard, but Orton returns the favor by kicking out. I like the crossbody reversal as momentum usually makes Orton roll. Orton acts like a heel with more cheating, well done. I hate referee bumps, but they happen for a reason. Someone is going to lose the match because of this. Did not expect to see Mysterio dominate with the referee knocked out, it would be perfect for Orton to cheat. Never saw that RKO! The referee is still down! Orton just lost the title, my guess would be that Msterio wins it now. There we go, Orton cheats and Rey is down. The surprise pin was the only way that Mysterio could have won because he was knocked out. The referee bump ends up costing the match for Orton.
Overall, this was a good match. There were some really bland parts though, something that does not happen to me during an Orton and Mysterio match. You made it better than their encounter at No Way Out, rendering you, 8.75/10.
I read so I knew this was happening, I like Edge coming in at Survivor Series instead of him holding the contract forever. Edge is now on Smackdown, I look forward to seeing what he does there.
Match 9 – Chris Jericho © vs. Shawn Michaels – WWE Title
Most anticipated match … ever. I read ahead, but I cannot wait to see how it leads to what the Hitman does.
I guess this is what you call the formulaic stuff to start the match. They are both getting moves in, so I like it. Jericho truly has the crowd on his side, which has been a remarkable turn from heel to face quickly. Maybe the low blow will lead to HBK taking advantage. Huge spot with the moonsualt through the table! It would look ugly from the apron though, he would have to line drive himself. The enzuguri is a great way to stop HBK’s dominance because it is a move from nowhere.
What is the flashback? Never seen Jericho do a moonsualt, but he probably could because he can do the lionsualt. Too bad he missed. Nice reversal of finishers by both men, Jericho avoiding Sweet Chin Music, and HBK avoiding the lionsault. Sharpshooter? I think Bret Hart will come when that move is locked in. Oh, Jericho escaped it. HBK taps … the referee is not there! This means Bret is coming soon! Now Jericho is knocked out, it is Bret and HBK time!! Whoa, the sharpshooter plus Hebner, hurry up Bret!! Did not expect Hebner to beat HBK with punches, Jericho almost wins with his auxiliary too.
Are we going to have an official brawl? Very creative with HBK knocking both referees out, okay it is the climax, get Bret out here!! Bret Hart comes out from the crowd!! Bret take HBK out, but stops the count! I did not see that one coming either, do not know why he would do that. I do not know why he would be upset when HBK did not get the win either. The only sensible reason I can come up with is HBK and Bret for the world title. Hart almost stopped HBK? This is confusing? Unexpected is good though and now the three Canadians all win huge matches.
Fantastic match, probably your best one on one match, you did not even need Bret for this one. You pulled out everything. This is going to be great. Great ending to a great PPV. 10/10
All the matches had some excitement to them. This is one of the best PPVs ever. 9.5/10
As mentioned, probably a top three PPV. Both you guys did very well. The length of the matches, the promos, the excitement, the tension, all of this was very well done. You both deserve an applause. I cannot wait to see how Forever Delayed falls out from this as well as Kane. You guys ameliorate each PPV, I cannot wait for the Royal Rumble.
Longest review I have given.