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South Africa is around the same level as Australia economic wise. But Australia has less AIDS and crime rate.
Er...no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gest_economies

You guys seem to be in some kind of dreamworld thinking that the South Africa of today is the same one as 30 years ago.

I have relatives who have had to escape that place so I feel very strongly about whats been done to it.
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The same country that has botched the Oscar Pistorius case.

Such a model law enforcement country.



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That is astonishing. Amazing what airs a blue hat and a shiny badge can give people.

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South Africa being similar to Australia!? Are you serious?

You mean apart from the massive differences in living standards, economic differences, murder rates, rape rapes, crime, poverty, and every other thing which is currently wrong with South Africa and Africa as a whole?

What planet are you on?

As for the 'original South Africans'?

You are aware that white people built SA and have lived in it for over 400 years? Not to mention that they were in parts of SA, Cape Town for example, long before any black Africans had set foot in it?

Whites built South Africa, blacks have destroyed it. Thats the truth.


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You mean apart from the massive differences in living standards, economic differences, murder rates, rape rapes, crime, poverty, and every other thing which is currently wrong with South Africa and Africa as a whole?
Rape rapes.

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I love how some people are just comfortable enough to let their bigotry and ignorance flap around out in public. Why did I bother clicking on this thread?

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I used to think South Africa was a symbol of hope for Africa. But the reality is South Africa is no better then Zimbabwe. The place is one of the most dangerous countries in the world, the police are corrupt, and it's falling apart.

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At the same time let's be real, my toilet paper is worth more than any Zimbabwe note into 8 figures. South Africa isn't quite there yet.


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I used to think South Africa was a symbol of hope for Africa. But the reality is South Africa is no better then Zimbabwe. The place is one of the most dangerous countries in the world, the police are corrupt, and it's falling apart.
South Africa has always been dangerous and corrupt. People are just now giving a fuck because White people are getting caught up in it.

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South Africa has always been dangerous and corrupt. People are just now giving a fuck because White people are getting caught up in it.

Of course the crime increased, and drastically.

One of the contributing factors was that the new anc government put a moratorium on employing new members of police. So, when a policeman resigned, went into old age pension or was killed, no new policeman was employed to take his place. And so the numbers of active policemen dwindled rapidly. Their salaries were also drastically lowered.

Another problem was that the new anc government decided to cut the finances of the police force. Suddenly there was a much smaller petrol (gasoline) allowance, so many a time the police had no car with fuel to respond to a call for help or to investigate a crime.

On top of that, also in line with cutting spending on police, the new anc government decided to close down many of the police stations. Many stations were reduced to what were called "satellite stations". These police stations had NO transport to go out on response. So, police from further away had to travel to many more crime scenes etc, etc.

Another problem is the corrupt nature of the members of the anc government. It is a sad message that is sent out to the people of the country, and that message says: "Crime pays". Even the police force members have taken to accepting bribes for turning a blind eye and many police are committing crimes too.

Then there is this idea of revenget in the back of the minds of many "previously disadvantaged" South Africans, that the whites have to be paid back for the sins of apartheid. This is why (at least in the beginning) most of the crimes were committed against whites. Sadly, crime is now so way out of control, that the whole nation suffers.

And of course, the courts cannot cope with all the cases, and so many cases are dismissed and not handled at all. This surely also gives a message to the petty criminal that he is likely to get off scott free because his case will not even go to court. The prisons are full.

When apartheid was still in force, South Africa had a huge police presence (in and outside Townships). The police cars and vans always were to be seen somewhere. This in itself was a big deterrent. Nowadays, you rarely see any policemen in the streets, especially in violent areas. They let the violent areas rot literally, the Police Special Forces are the only ones who dare to act in some townships alongside the military ...

The reason why crime is so high right now is also because of the amount of illegalforeigners in the country. People from Zimbabwe, Malawi, Maputo and everywhere in Africa come thinking they will get jobs they will lives good lives, because South Africa helps black Africans and thats not the case.

South Africa is a failling state.


What is the response of the SAPS to the high levels of crime ?

Besides imposing a moratorium on crime statistics, the SAPS has gone out of its way to lose the title of "crime capital of the world", by making bizarre comparisons, for example, according to Leggett (Response of SAPS - IMPROVED CRIME REPORTING: Is South Africa’s crime wave a statistical illusion?) their most recent quarterly statistical report claims:

- Murder rates are compared between Washington, D.C., the city with the highest murder rates in the US, and Pretoria, which has the lowest murder rates of any major city in South Africa presumably on the basis that they are both capitals.

- Johannesburg is compared to Diadema, Sao Paolo, Brazil in 1999, not on the basis that the two areas are in any way comparable, but because Diadema is one sliver of the world that once had a higher murder rate.

- Very serious violent crimes’ make up just over 10% of overall crime, with the bizarre conclusion that the ‘chances of becoming a victim of serious violent crime are just over one out of ten crimes reported to the police’.

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Can you tell me why I can't find statistical data from the Apartheid on the official south african statistics website http://www.statssa.gov.za/ ?

It's called censorship.

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Of course the crime increased, and drastically.
Oh, I'm sure that the residual effects of colonialism are having a terrible effect on the population. You see it most everywhere the indigenous populations have been treated like chattel or sub-humans. It takes decades for these things to right themselves. It's terrible, but totally predictable.

I'm just tired of all the pearl-clutching that goes along with it. "You mean they've kept a large portion of their population uneducated and disenfranchised, and now there's civil unrest and violence? WHAT?"

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