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Old 02-20-2013, 01:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default The true crime thread.

Well then. A few people have been asking for it, so here it is.

Before I begin, a few people may not like the idea of discussing serial killers or murder cases so if this is not your cup of tea, simply press the back button on your browser and go join the pokemon discussion thread or debate which CM Punk haircut is the best.

I have been following murder cases for a few years now. It always intrigued me. What possesses someone to kill? Are they merely a product of their environment, or is it genetic? A lot of them are quite intricate in the detail and some are quite messy. Some are all about the fame and want to be noticed whilst others are more introverted.

Even those without an active interest can't help but have heard of the likes of Charles Manson, Ed Gein, Ted Bundy, William Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer.

To get the ball rolling, I thought I would post a quick blurb in my own words about a serial killer I found quite interesting.

Richard Kuklinski Aka "The ice man"

His name was Richard Kuklinski. (also known as the iceman) He was a Mafia hitman. He was a big scary looking man standing at 6'5 and about 300 pounds. He had a variety of unique ways of killing his victims, e.g. strangulation, shooting, even poisoning. Whilst he was committing these atrocious acts he was still maintaining a normal and healthy relationship with his wife and kids. He was convicted for only 5 counts of murder, though he has admitted to a lot more. He maintains that he only killed so he can provide for his wife and daughter. Although he does seem to be a lot different to your stereotypical serial killer in that he maintains that he doesn't get any kind of satisfaction from the killings, sexual or otherwise. He was very meticulous and would get close to his victims in order to perform the murders. For example on one particular occasion he went to a gay club and dress as a homosexual in order to get close enough to a victim to preform the kill. Even though he maintains that he doesn't get satisfaction, he does seem to express joy in some of the killings. He was imprisoned December 17 1986 and stayed imprisoned until he died under suspicious circumstances on march 5 2006. The reason it was thought of to be suspicious was because he was due to testify against a member of the infamous gambino family.

Here is an interesting youtube video of an interview with The Iceman.





You could also read about him on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski

What cases do you find interesting? What cases do you find the creepiest? Post your stuff here.

Oh and I guess it goes without saying, don't post crime scene photos/videos as violent images aren't allowed on this site.
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Nobody beats John Wayne Gacy nobody. Oh and Ed gein the man who was based on classic horror movies!!!
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I half-wrote a novel (as in, wrote half, it remains unfinished) about a guy who might have/would have become a serial killer and I delved into the mindset of that kind of person quite a bit, or at least one kind of that kind.

I might post a passage or two depending on how the thread goes, but for now I shall offer up one of my favourite Youtube videos of Charles Manson:



That was not how he normally was though, and here's another that gives a better insight into his charisma:

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Great topic Bully. It's been a interest of mine for years, I've read about, and watched (through documentaries and films) cases on many famous criminals and serial killers. The most interesting case for me is Ted Bundy, he's the most interesting person I've ever read about. I've got three films on Bundy, the 1986 The Deliberate Stranger film being by far the best and most accurate film on his life.

Charles Starkweather, Charles Manson, Bonnie and Clyde, Richard Ramirez, David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) also very much interest me.

Wikipedia articles for all the people I've mentioned, have a read for yourself, it's very interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Starkweather
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_and_Clyde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Berkowitz

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Case of Javed Iqbal. Killed 100 boys in a span of 18 months and showed absolutely no regret afterwards. One of his quotes

''“I am Javed Iqbal, killer of 100 children … I hate this world, I am not ashamed of my action and I am ready to die. I have no regrets. I killed 100 children.”

He's truly the creepiest guy I've ever seen. Not only did he just kill the boys. He sexually assaulted them before killing them by strangulation. He had a diary where he planned the murders and later made drawings of their dead bodies. Committed suicide before he could be hanged by the authority. Truly despicable.

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I honestly believe that they have Charles Manson drugged up when it comes time to do interviews in order to make him seem crazy and erattic. It seems to be quite at odds with how he seemed in his interviews, very articulate, intelligent and well spoken.

I think that the powers that are genuinely worried about what he might say. I read a book that charles Manson co-wrote as well. Very interesting man, he also fancied himself as a bit of a musician too, and spent a bit of time with Dennis Wilson. He even helped write songs with the Beach Boys.
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Default Re: The true crime thread.

I feel like we'll retread on a lot of familiar territory from the Birthday thread, but F it, hopefully it takes a life of it's own.



Richard Kuklinski is a good choice to start. Not sure how credible his kills are since most of them are from the horses mouth, but you could tell that this guy was a cold Bastard. Just the stories about him setting people on fire in cars and leaving a guy to be fed by rats in a cave is bone chilling stuff. Always wondered how a man can disassociate himself from his familly life to commit these types of crimes, you have to be completely desensitized to kill like that methodically. Hell, he's so notorious for being cold hearted that Steve Austin himself based his gimmick after him.


Have you ever heard of this? Probably one of the strangest True Crime cases i've ever come across


http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/c...ave/index.html

It's about a couple that kidnapped a young woman and kept her in a wooden box for 7 years. Absolutely crazy stuff. The abducters would occationally let her out and scare her into thinking that there'd be a secret organisation that would hunt her if she escaped. It's really sad what they did to this poor woman, to me this type of thing is just as bad if not worse than going on a serial killing spree. Can't even imagine how she managed to cope with the ordeal after she escaped. I know she had a severe case of stockholm syndrome and didn't have any ill will toward her captors. Can't even begin to comprehend this, but i've also never been in that situation.
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I think that the powers that are genuinely worried about what he might say. I read a book that charles Manson co-wrote as well. Very interesting man, he also fancied himself as a bit of a musician too, and spent a bit of time with Dennis Wilson. He even helped write songs with the Beach Boys.
Have you heard some of Manson's songs? They're pretty good, and who knows, if he didn't go down the road he did, he might of made a name for himself in music. There's many more of his songs on YouTube, but here's two I like:


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I began looking into Jeffrey Dahmer after watching The Monster Within documentary on the History Channel. The graphic, bizarre nature of his crimes always sends chills down my spine. Dahmer is truly up there as one of the (if not the most) creepiest individuals to ever set foot on this planet.



The trial was also a bit uncomfortable to bare, particularly this reaction.

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I honestly believe that they have Charles Manson drugged up when it comes time to do interviews in order to make him seem crazy and erattic. It seems to be quite at odds with how he seemed in his interviews, very articulate, intelligent and well spoken.

I think that the powers that are genuinely worried about what he might say. I read a book that charles Manson co-wrote as well. Very interesting man, he also fancied himself as a bit of a musician too, and spent a bit of time with Dennis Wilson. He even helped write songs with the Beach Boys.
You can't do what he did without being an incredibly charismatic person. It's not admiration to say so, it's not bigging him up, it's just accepting the truth and understanding exactly what happened.

Christians will understand, what with their Jesus and all.

Charisma. Some politicians stand for this, some politicians stand for that, but make the people look up to you and admire you for who you are and you don't have to stand for fuck all.
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