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Old 02-01-2013, 03:25 AM   #11 (permalink)
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It seems like he had some good people beside him, and should have just spoken up. The gay people at my high school were maybe teased at most as far as I knew.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm not buying that any of the examples you provided involved innocent, wrong place wrong time type individuals. I also believe you're taking a lot of it out of context. Breaking fingers one by one is some mob type shit. There must be other factors that tied into it because MY experience with bullying has never gotten that extreme and the most common experiences most people have with bullies are name calling, threats of physical harm, knocking milk off lunch trays, stealing lunch money...that type of shit. It's a very small minority that goes through the extreme methods of bullying and at that point I'm willing to bet that the "bullies" in those cases aren't common, everyday school bullies rather they're likely gang members or straight up reckless, juvenile delinquents. I'd also be interested in the location/settings of these more extreme cases. I can bet that odds are, they're in low income inner city type areas.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:31 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The thing is, a lot of pepole said "I would of helped"
"I had no idea" they did, but getting involved makes you a target
Beign gay makes it worse, I've heard of times where bully's really attempted, damned or even full out took off the guys balls\penis etc
And whats worse is if its forma young age, you start thinking there is something wrong with you, and while its getting better thats only happen recently and so there is some more guilt added with pain and Lord knows what else

you hear of the simple stuff, of "bullying" cause no one ever speaks of what happens


Maybe he could of done things, we dont know but I've met\seen kids who did these things and it only made it worse, there was no awnser


Here is an exsample, your in a gang, as a female only way to leave is to be gangrapped by evrey one or killed

what should the person do? (Keep in mind that there are gangs where you join cause of a oplder sibling and you had "no choice")

Thats just one exsample where if it came down to it, its quite possible the right answer sadly
as once again cops hardily can do anything, freinds are to scared to help, tyhere is not much teachers can do
and if you mange to get one of them to helpy ou the gang could kill you anyways

ts sort of like that but with out the gang, you NEVEr had a choice and its either take your beatings in till school is over (many kids have died form said beatings anyways) or make it worse, why assume these kids did not have it worse? notice how they NEVER tell you what the kid had to endure, or if they do the skip over it?


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I'm not buying that any of the examples you provided involved innocent, wrong place wrong time type individuals.
A black kid growing up in a gang infested area and being out right told to pick a side or else happens all to often.
I was a white guy in a Mexican school with heavy ties to gangs in mexico, but it could just as easily been a white school with ties to enter gang here.

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I also believe you're taking a lot of it out of context. Breaking fingers one by one is some mob type shit. There must be other factors that tied into it because MY experience with bullying has never gotten that extreme and the most common experiences most people have with bullies are name calling, threats of physical harm, knocking milk off lunch trays, stealing lunch money...that type of shit.
Your right that its "small" but its also a lot smaller the kids who kill them selfs after going through what you said, there are millions of kids bullied each year that way that survive, but most of those who do commit suicide form what i seen have it far worse, I do not denyt here are kids who do that, I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about the poor infested gang areas where shootings stabings etc are common and cops are uesless
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It's a very small minority that goes through the extreme methods of bullying and at that point I'm willing to bet that the "bullies" in those cases aren't common, everyday school bullies rather they're likely gang members or straight up reckless, juvenile delinquents.
in the school I was at gangs where the bully so was the delinquents and THATS COMMON in many poor area schools, most bullies tend to travle in groups there and are gangs or should be anyways.

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I'd also be interested in the location/settings of these more extreme cases. I can bet that odds are, they're in low income inner city type areas.
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Yes, which means they cant afford to move, that type of thing is "accepted" (in the sense it happens all the time due to gang activity) so your choices are get another Gang to help, fight said gang by your self, tell a teacher etc all of which tick off the gang and make it far worse for you


http://bullyinglte.wordpress.com/200...-bully-attack/ this is just one even that happen to get attrition (for the wrong reassons)
this while more unique is what a lot of kids go through that people seem to not want to believe happens

Just read some of those fucking storys, there is FAR more fucked up stuff that NEVER gets told, becuse it only makes it worse


Bullying is far more then just the simple kid stuff that almost evrye one gose through many times, but most dont know this\dont want to belive it and thats part of the problem when they do tell someone they think "its not that bad suck it up move on" and the stuff keeps getting worse while evrey one thinks its just being picked on
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:41 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Suicide is always, 100% of the time a moronic idea...in first-world scenarios anyway.
What about all of those people who chose to jump off the Twin Towers instead of burning to death on 9/11? Lol, you wrong bro.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:44 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Article is devoid of any real facts or evidence. Where are the examples of bullying? Where's the proof? there is none.

Was his being gay even relevent? I think the queer website (queerty) was merely using his death as a way to further their own agenda.

Further evidenced by the sites slogan: "free of an agenda except that gay one"

Funny how people are willing to jump to conclusions when there are little to no facts being presented.

Even if he was being bullied, he's the one that put the rope around his neck, noone else.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:48 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I would really love to see some documented incidents similar to the ones you're providing. And let's try to draw a line between bullying and gang violence.

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What about all of those people who chose to jump off the Twin Towers instead of burning to death on 9/11? Lol, you wrong bro.
THEY HAD A CHOICE DAMMIT. No one pushed them out the window.

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Article is devoid of any real facts or evidence. Where are the examples of bullying? Where's the proof? there is none.

Was his being gay even relevent? I think the queer website (queerty) was merely using his death as a way to further their own agenda.

Further evidenced by the sites slogan: "free of an agenda except that gay one"

Funny how people are willing to jump to conclusions when there are little to no facts being presented.

Even if he was being bullied, he's the one that put the rope around his neck, noone else.
Well said.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:56 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I would really love to see some documented incidents similar to the ones you're providing. And let's try to draw a line between bullying and gang violence.



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please see link I provided
they set the kid on fire, this is one of the few that will get documented, for proof of that go find reports of kids killing eachother in some gang infested town, it foten barily makes the papers
also why should we? mI was not in a gang, I was called names, picked on, and hit becuse I was defreint

that is bullying it dont matter if a gang did it

http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/16482226.html
Did not lead to detah but could of.
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Old 02-01-2013, 04:07 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Not surprised it happened in Florida. Can we just sell Florida back to Spain or something?

Anyway, that is sad. Bullying is always going to be a case of should have, would have, could have. It's never an issue until shit pops off and the cases where bullying is prevented is NEVER reported on because people like reading horrifying, fucked up shit. Violence sells which is why scenarios like this pop up every so often and makes it seem like every case of bullying is like that. It's tough to pinpoint who should have or could have done something. There are hundreds of variables that go into each and every situation like this. You can blame the parents, teachers, the victim his/herself but at the end of the day tragedy strikes. Sick shit happens and you can't always prevent it. It's a shame. Count your blessings.
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I'm not saying every single one is like that, just far more are then most people think, you dont know what these kids went through

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7...by_bullies.php
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7...owing-how.html
http://www.kltv.com/story/19428038/b...nd-in-stabbing

We need to wake up and now that bullying is bad, and there are out of this world unbelievable sutff hapening to many7 kids, not evrey kid is just bullied a bit, some go through stuff like this for years

What would you do if this happen to you? keep in mind many of them had fought back, had gone to cops, teachs, parents.
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What about all of those people who chose to jump off the Twin Towers instead of burning to death on 9/11? Lol, you wrong bro.
There's clearly a difference between the situation in 9/11 and a gay kid killing himself because he couldn't deal with some bullying from a bunch of idiots.
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