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Old 01-30-2013, 07:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Here comes another undeclared war...

First, a few words from the good doctor himself: Ron Paul.

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"President Obama last week began his second term by promising that 'a decade of war is now ending.' As he spoke, the US military was rapidly working its way into another war..."

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US Action in Mali is Another Undeclared War


President Obama last week began his second term by promising that “a decade of war is now ending.” As he spoke, the US military was rapidly working its way into another war, this time in the impoverished African country of Mali. As far as we know, the US is only providing transport and intelligence assistance to France, which initiated the intervention then immediately called Washington for back-up and funding. However, even if US involvement is limited, and, as Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said, US boots on the ground are not being considered “at this time,” this clearly is developing into another war. As usual, the mission is creeping.

Within the first week of French military action in Mali, the promise that it would be a quick operation to put down an Islamic rebel advance toward the capitol was broken. France announced that it would be forced to send in thousands of troops and would need to remain far longer than the few weeks it initially claimed would be necessary.

Media questions as to whether the US has Special Operations forces, drones, or CIA paramilitary units active in Mali are unanswered by the Administration. Congress has asked few questions and demanded few answers from the president. As usual, it was not even consulted. But where does the president get the authority to become a co-combatant in French operations in Mali, even if US troops are not yet overtly involved in the attack?

How did we get to Mali? Blowback and unintended consequences played key roles. When the president decided to use the US military to attack Libya in 2011, Congress was not consulted. The president claimed that UN and NATO authority for the use of US military force were sufficient and even superior to any kind of Congressional declaration. Congress once again relinquished its authority, but also its oversight power, by remaining silent. That meant the difficult questions such as why is the action necessary, what would it entail, and what kind of unintended consequences might we see if the operation does not go exactly as planned, were neither asked nor answered.

When Gaddafi was overthrown in Libya, many fighters from Mali who had lived in Libya and been trained by Gaddafi’s military returned to their home country with sophisticated weapons and a new determination to continue their fight for independence for northern Mali. Thus the France-initiated action against Libya in 2011 led to new violence and instability in Mali that France decided it must also address. Shortly after the French attack on Mali, rebels in Algeria attacked a BP gas facility in retaliation for their government’s decision to allow foreign military to fly over Algerian territory en route to Mali. Thus the action in Mali to solve the crisis created by the prior action in Libya is turning into a new crisis in Algeria. This is the danger of interventionism and, as we saw in Vietnam more than four decades ago, it threatens to drag the US further into the conflict. And Congress is AWOL.

There is a reason why the framers of our Constitution placed the authority to declare war strictly with the Legislative Branch of government. They knew well that kings were all too willing to go to war without the consent of those who would do the killing and dying -- and funding. By placing that authority in Congress, the people’s branch of government, they intended to blunt the executive branch’s enthusiasm toward overseas adventurism. The consequences of this steady erosion of our system toward the unitary executive are dire.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Plans to base unarmed American surveillance drones in the African nation of Niger highlight the Obama administration's growing concern about extremist influences in the volatile region. They also raise tough questions about how to contain al-Qaida and other militant groups without committing U.S. ground forces in yet another war.

In the short run, a drone base would enable the U.S. to give France more intelligence on the militants that French troops are fighting in neighboring Mali. Over time it could extend the reach not only of American intelligence gathering but also U.S. special operations missions to strengthen Niger's own security forces.

The U.S. and Niger in recent days signed a "status of forces agreement" spelling out legal protections and obligations of American forces that might operate in Niger in the future.

Pentagon spokesman George Little acknowledged the agreement, but declined Tuesday to discuss U.S. plans for a military presence in Niger.

"They expressed a willingness to engage more closely with us, and we are happy to engage with them," Little said, adding that the legal agreement was months in the making and saying it was unrelated to the recent fighting in Mali.

The U.S. has found some of its efforts to fight extremists hobbled by some African governments, whose own security forces are ill-equipped to launch an American-style hunt for the militants yet are reluctant to accept U.S. help because of fears the Americans will overstay their welcome and trample their sovereignty.
More at: http://news.yahoo.com/us-eyes-drone-...-politics.html

The war-monger in chief is at it again.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Here comes another undeclared war...

so the french are protecting their interests in a far off and relatively unknown country, but soon america will get involved in the jungle war?

sure, thats ended well historically
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US has been intervening with shit like this forever, as terrible as it is we can't keep our hands to ourselves.
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But Obama was suppose to end our wars. He got a peace prize and everything. Look at the con-man you elected America
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The US will always intervene in other countries as long as there's money to be made.
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Default Re: Here comes another undeclared war...

It would be nice if we took a stance of "Don't fuck with our shit, and we will leave you alone" for about 25 years, see how it pans out. And then don't go around helping other people with their shit. If they can't hold onto it, they shouldn't keep it.
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Oh look, another war instigated by plutocracy... uhmm, I mean, democracy. Time for some freedumb bombs in Mali.

What? French Special Forces troops are already at Mali's uranium mines? YOU DON'T SAY!!
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Default Re: Here comes another undeclared war...

I've always been interested when this whole American idea of being the World Police came onto the stage.....We've been continuously at war for over 200 years (roughly) and we're still young. This legitimately scares me.
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http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/30/chica...-inauguration/

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I've always been interested when this whole American idea of being the World Police came onto the stage.....We've been continuously at war for over 200 years (roughly) and we're still young. This legitimately scares me.
When you become the #1 country involving yourself in everything and spreading yourself thin is pretty standard.
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