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Old 01-24-2013, 06:10 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I think it would just be helpful if the people are informed about things like the NDAA. You have no idea how many people I've talked to who have no idea about the NDAA or even what it contains.



The problem is that they shouldn't have the right to do it at all. It doesn't matter if you have nothing to hide. It's the principal of them being able to do it that I have a problem with. Same goes with detaining without due process, although this is worse because they don't even need proof. They can just say that you're a threat and you're off to Gitmo or wherever they would take you.

I don't feel that it's preventing anything at all or even helping. al Qaeda is our alleged enemy even though we're funding them and helping them overthrow Assad's regime in Syria. If they're our mortal enemy, as the media and the government want us to believe, why are we helping them overthrow a government? All of these laws are under the guise of "keeping us self" yet the government is funding (and even created) the "enemy" in al Qaeda. Are they really our enemy or are they just our enemy when we want them to be and we need a boogeyman to scare the American people into giving up more of their rights?

EDIT- The Supreme Court of the United States did no such thing. I think I know what you're referring too, but it wasn't the Supreme Court and it had no real impact, seeing as it was included in the 2013 version of the bill as well.
Any articles or such on backing Al Qaeda? That could swing my opinion.

And my mistake on the Supreme Court situation. Didn't notice that was in 2012.

I'd like to ask your opinion on this article:
http://www.civilwarhome.com/pulito.htm
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:10 PM   #32 (permalink)
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nobody wants an army that thinks for itself. bad for morale and leadership when they start questioning orders or the morality of their actions

no no, the ideal army just "follows orders"
yes but inside they are conflicted and conscious of their wrongs so that makes it excusable somehow
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:15 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Because Obama does not want to kill his own people.
He has killed three Americans without trial.

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Old 01-24-2013, 06:16 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Sorry Double L, those videos are only funny when it's conservatives being made fools of.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:18 PM   #35 (permalink)
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The Al Qaeda backing in Syria is pretty well known. The 'revolutionaries' there are cold hard terrorists and fucked up even by middle eastern standards. They're funnelled by the saudi and Qatari governments out of prisons and terrorist cells into Syria to destabilise the country and region. They kill. A lot. Many are fundamentalist nutjobs that are connected to Al Qaeda and more or less are going to fuck up the country, and it's neighbours beyond belief

I'd argue they're far far worse than Assad, as hard as that is to believe. And the United States is funding them for the sole purpose of cutting off Hezbollah in the south of Lebanon of its weapons and missiles as well which would strengthen Israel's position and weaken Iran's.

Its all an intricate game of chess fueled by self interest. But all I know is, before these 'revolutionaries' popped up, Assad was universally loved by almost every syrian.
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Sorry Double L, those videos are only funny when it's conservatives being made fools of.
It wasn't meant to be funny, it was meant to spread information that the media isn't covering.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:26 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Any articles or such on backing Al Qaeda? That could swing my opinion.

And my mistake on the Supreme Court situation. Didn't notice that was in 2012.

I'd like to ask your opinion on this article:
http://www.civilwarhome.com/pulito.htm
Syrian Rebels are affiliated with al Qaeda.

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This link is from InfoWars but unless you want to watch an entire BBC interview, which is linked in the article, this sums it up nicely.

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In regards to that article, it makes a lot of good points. Lincoln did indeed become the most powerful president in history by doing things such as suspending the writ of Habeas Corpus and his shredding of the Constitution. The case can indeed be made that he was a tyrant. While I do believe that his intentions were good in his mind (wanting to keep the Union together), I cannot support the way he went about it. He was the first president, to my knowledge, who completely disregarded the Constitution because he felt he needed to. I'm not as well versed in Lincoln as much as some people are but I think I know enough that I don't hold him up as one of the greatest presidents of all time.
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But didnt Mark twain once argue that the only possible time for the temporary suspension of freedom is during war?

And Mark was about as Pro liberty as someone gets
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If that's the case, then they are purposely participating in the killing of people to profit defense contractors and big business, which is even worse than if they had simply been ignorant, or suckered in by the propaganda. At what point do we hold people morally accountable for their actions? And since when does the prospect of facing unemployment justify such horrors?
If we held people morally accountable for their actions then everyone involved with the Bush Administration would be in prison right now.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:53 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Default Re: Obama to Top Brass: Will you fire on American Citizens?

Agreed, and the same goes for the Obama administration. In fact, all the administrations of the last 60 years or so.

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