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Old 01-20-2013, 03:54 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I think you're missing the point of that speech, he's speaking on the human condition, and how our vices throw us into moral corruption. He's right, and that's the very epitome of standing up to 'evil'. No need for this sanctimonious shit. I don't see how someone could despise that speech. To me that's unfathomable.
I don't despise that speech but i think is one of the worst thing he has done. Probably is a beautiful thing sayin that in other context but in the movie is a easy solution for a complex topic.

Yes you can go to "the humans are good" route and say that your vision of society is more democractic based on the previous argument, but is a topical and a no-risky solution for a so complex matter like this, yes humans can be good and societies can be better, but the reality is that not all humans functs in that premises even if is our natural condition to be good (wich sound good but can't be proved), and all the previous events of the movie are an example of this.

The resolution of movies like Modern Times, Monsieur Verdoux and specially City Lights are so much better beacuse they talk to you but didn't need to focus on a topical and specifical moral lesson.

Even then outside the movie, i don't have a problem with the speech.
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Old 01-20-2013, 03:54 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Adolf Hitler... now i do not condone Nazis or their behavior BUT you cannot deny that he lead a country from the depths of massive depression after world war one all though a microphone into becoming one of the most powerful juggernauts the world has ever known. he was crazy but when he spoke MILLIONS listened. I have a dream was also up there on the good side of things. but hitlers mic skills are always forgotten because he was a bad person.
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at Hitler's mic skills. His monkey flip was useless though.

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Old 01-20-2013, 04:03 PM   #34 (permalink)
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at Hitler's mic skills. His monkey flip was useless though.

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im sorry did the speech form fight club shake the very foundations of a nation and bring about radical change? Did it take simple farmers and peasants simply looking/starving for their daily bread and turn them into one of the most powerful armies of destruction the world has ever known? Im not saying Hitler was a good man, nor am I saying that I condone Nazi beliefs but you have to give the devil his due because he is on the level of MLK when it comes to giving speeches. fact
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Old 01-20-2013, 04:08 PM   #35 (permalink)
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im sorry did the speech form fight club shake the very foundations of a nation and bring about radical change? Did it take simple farmers and peasants simply looking/starving for their daily bread and turn them into one of the most powerful armies of destruction the world has ever known? Im not saying Hitler was a good man, nor am I saying that I condone Nazi beliefs but you have to give the devil his due because he is on the level of MLK when it comes to giving speeches. fact
Hitler shook the foundations of Europe for about six years until he got his arsed kicked and the nation he 'inspired' hung their heads in shame for decades. Pay attention.

Although I am starting to sense a hidden agenda from you here. Nobody with any genuine revulsion at what he did would argue for his inclusion in any list of greatness, no matter his credentials.
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John Ford greatness

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I don't despise that speech but i think is one of the worst thing he has done. Probably is a beautiful thing sayin that in other context but in the movie is a easy solution for a complex topic.

Yes you can go to "the humans are good" route and say that your vision of society is more democractic based on the previous argument, but is a topical and a no-risky solution for a so complex matter like this, yes humans can be good and societies can be better, but the reality is that not all humans functs in that premises even if is our natural condition to be good (wich sound good but can't be proved), and all the previous events of the movie are an example of this.

The resolution of movies like Modern Times, Monsieur Verdoux and specially City Lights are so much better beacuse they talk to you but didn't need to focus on a topical and specifical moral lesson.

Even then outside the movie, i don't have a problem with the speech.
Very good analysis, and I do agree with you to an extent.

I don't think that the Chaplin's character in the Great Dictator expected that speech to change anything, it came across as a sudden outburst toward the corrupted moral values he was witnessing around him. If it was presented as a solution then i'd thoroughly agree, but that was a genuine display of human emotions, Chaplin was pure, and you can't possibly fault him for that.

I agree that the intricacies of War can't be dealt with on a whim. to me the challenge lies in our collective values, our dependence to conventional dogma and our reluctance to put ego aside and work toward the betterment of an ideal world for our children to live in. Until there's a drastic paradigm shift in the way we view the structure of society, we will always look to the external (government, religion, ect..) for a sense of security, control and truths at face value because we fear social ostracization, and we underestimate the power of autonomous and rational thinking after being lied to and conditioned for years. Those types of changes don't come overnight, and they certainly don't come in handy when were dealing with Political conflicts, but then again, Political conflicts can be barberic at their core, the result of War can have devastating implications that are in most cases necessary, but it doesn't make the nature of this structure morally right. We are an evolved species in the sense that we cultivated language to communicate with each other, but were still the only Animal that kills for other reasons than survival. I think there should be a harmonious balance between what is necessary for survival, and morally sound convictions.

Chaplin wasn't offering a solution, he was reacting to the madness in the most human way possible. That's what makes it so poignant.
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A case of a speech made memorable for the fact that it didn't happen. Ceausescu had crushed his people for years and in this one moment the world saw in his bewildered expression the end of a tyrant.
Incredible moment.
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