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Old 01-20-2013, 01:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Not always the case.

He could have the best trained people protecting him. One of those guys could go batshit crazy on him one day and shoot him.

Is it the gun's fault?

Would his death have anything to do with training?


Anyone can snap at any given moment and fire a gun. You don't even have to be mentally ill to do so. It's just a matter of being angry at the moment, shooting someone in a fit of rage, and then regretting the hell out of when you get back to your normal senses and realize what you did was wrong.

It is still not the gun's fault by any means. If that person didn't have a gun, they would use a baseball bat, a kitchen knife, their fists....you will use whatever you want when you are angry.


I think most gun cases, though, have to do with the mentally ill, rather than someone just having a bad day.
Tell me, any assassinations of public figures by their bodyguards, which has nothing to do with religion.

Yes, angry people commit murder, when they have easy access to simple weapons at range to do so (guns), but no tyrant or elected official chooses to be guarded by such people. Unless political expediency and a failure to comprehend the effects of religo/political actions.

This is basic human understanding. Who do you trust with a gun, you're calm friend, or you're friend whom flies of the handle at the least provocation. Extremely few do not show signs of their insanity, especially when in positions of power.

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Old 01-20-2013, 02:04 PM   #22 (permalink)
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There are people who have committed serious crimes in which every single person around them can tell you they would have never seen it coming.

There are people who have committed suicide in which every single person around them can tell you they would have never seen it coming.

Just using two examples here, you just never know. Someone could be 'normal' since birth and then something happens, they develop a mental illness, and shit happens.

I am not saying this is the case each and every single time, or that it happens most of the time, I don't know stats and such of these things, but, just saying, it can randomly happen to anyone. I could have a calm friend that I trust with a weapon but he happens to have a dark little secret of a slight mental illness and decides one day he feels like shooting me.

Maybe it is just my thinking, though, because I find it hard to trust people in this day and age. Looks can be deceiving, people's attitudes can be deceiving.
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Thing that bugs me most is that this type of Gun ban has happened in the past, and nothing really came of it. In 1994, Clinton signed into law a 10-year ban on Assault rifles and large capacity clips, and the bill eventually expired.

On the other hand, there is an argument to be made about the second amendment which was put in place as a safeguard against a potential Tyrannical regime forming. Do I think were at that point now? Hell.. fucking.. no, the U.S Troops are made up of smart, Patriotic Americans that have been very critical of the Government lately, they love the American people and would not comply to something as unconstitutional as turning on their own people. This isn't Nazi Germany. Still, the amendment should be respected, the Government has no right to infringe on that.
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There are people who have committed serious crimes in which every single person around them can tell you they would have never seen it coming.

There are people who have committed suicide in which every single person around them can tell you they would have never seen it coming.
These are excuses motivated by self-interest though. We don't want to hold ourselves accountable for anything serious. Promoting this idea that mental illness can be completely undetectable isn't based on an objective analysis of the situation. It's just easier than saying or thinking "wow, I should have paid better attention, I obviously missed something".

James Holmes for instance, was rejected access to a gun range because one phone message was enough to creep out the guy who ran the place. Yet all these people who knew him acted completely shocked and talked about how they never could have foreseen this. One voicemail and a stranger knows this is a guy who should never be anywhere near guns. Years of knowing this guy and all these people never picked up on any signs. Are you kidding me? Can anyone truly believe that the signs weren't there? It's completely unhelpful and self-motivated to promote this idea that "YA JUST NEVER KNOW!".
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No, the mutation is statism. It doesn't occur at the DNA level though, it's the result of bad parenting and government propaganda centers, aka public schools. We're free and nonviolent at birth, and then bad parenting and government propaganda teach us that we need to be controlled and violence is moral when done by authority figures (parents, men in costumes calling themselves the government).

If you don't "get" why some people strive for freedom, it's because you've been programmed extremely well.

Obama dying wouldn't do a lot for me. The propaganda machine would certainly use it to push some kind of agenda, but they'll just get another sociopath fascist war criminal to take his place.
Lol. How are public schools propaganda centers?
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Thing that bugs me most is that this type of Gun ban has happened in the past, and nothing really came of it. In 1994, Clinton signed into law a 10-year ban on Assault rifles and large capacity clips, and the bill eventually expired.
I wonder what the line of thinking for that asinine gun ban was when you had two mother fuckers walking the streets of North Hollywood with fully automatic AR's and Kalishnikov's in 1997, 3 years after the ban took effect. Surely the ban should have prevented that...right?
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Lol. How are public schools propaganda centers?
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. - some 4 year old kid who doesn't know what 2 + 2 is yet. Thousands of times, until he's 17/18 years old. If he's not saying it he's still hearing it. He's still compelled to recite it and memorize it.

Then there's the revisionist US history books and the fact that kids spend all their time at school being instructed by people who are employed by the government. You're taught in school to unquestioningly obey authority figures. They aren't learning skills that prepare them for the workforce, that's for sure. It's all just government training for people before the government can get their hands in their pockets, so that they don't ask why.
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I propose a compromise; your right to bare arms should depend on how psycho you are about it. If you're a hippy, you get an entire room full of gatlings, sniper rifles, bazookas etc. If you don't care, you get one gun rack. If you just want one for defense, you can have 3 or 4. Average NRA member, no. And if you're Alex Jones, no kitchen knives either.

Piers Morgan had him on because he knew that Jones would come off as the psycho that he is and that in turn would put gun nuts in a bad light. It's akin to inviting a KKK grand dragon on to discuss affirmative action. Jones is a human crouton, a veritable walking cornucopia of insanity, Morgan knew that from the start, and Jones played right into his hands, so it's really Jones's fault...you know, for being a fuckin' moron and all.

Although, when you make fun of a mentally handicapped person, it's not really the retard's fault, right?

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These are excuses motivated by self-interest though. We don't want to hold ourselves accountable for anything serious. Promoting this idea that mental illness can be completely undetectable isn't based on an objective analysis of the situation. It's just easier than saying or thinking "wow, I should have paid better attention, I obviously missed something".

James Holmes for instance, was rejected access to a gun range because one phone message was enough to creep out the guy who ran the place. Yet all these people who knew him acted completely shocked and talked about how they never could have foreseen this. One voicemail and a stranger knows this is a guy who should never be anywhere near guns. Years of knowing this guy and all these people never picked up on any signs. Are you kidding me? Can anyone truly believe that the signs weren't there? It's completely unhelpful and self-motivated to promote this idea that "YA JUST NEVER KNOW!".


People don't have to exhibit this type of behaviour in front of people all the time.


I get bored one night, decide I want to go burn down someone's house. No one else around me would ever know about it because I wouldn't tell them and they wouldn't witness it. I act completely normal around them all the time, they would never suspect that I would do such a thing.

Just because someone has a problem doesn't mean that they have to show signs of it all the time.


My brother's friend committed suicide a few years ago and they were shocked as fuck. I didn't know the guy, but, my brother said there were absolutely no signs of anything wrong. The mother didn't even know of any problems. This kid grew up in a normal family, had a job, a girlfriend, etc. A few friends were over there to hang with him, his mom gave them some food, went to the basement, found him hanging from the ceiling. Whatever shit he had wrong with him, he kept it to himself.
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We? You don't live in the GOAT country.

What rights stated in the Bill of Rights have been lost? Interested to hear what freedoms we have lost.
well just off the top of my head..

Patriot Acts 1 and 2 removed freedom to privacy from the American Public

In 2006 The Dirtiest player in the game GW Bush Removed Habeas Corpus laws so they can lock you up indefinitely as long as they throw the 'terrorist' term out there.

I agree with you that people are overreacting absolutely!! but America is starting to show signs of losing some civil liberties, but i think that is because people drink the purple kool aid that is the mass media (fear mongers of both sides exacerbating the issue). As for Obama as president I am proud to say i voted for him and that he is a HUGE improvement from the Cowboy from Toy Story we had for the 8 years before him! lol
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