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Old 01-19-2013, 08:53 PM   #151 (permalink)
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Show proof please, the homosexuality yes, that's a new word, but the oringal word was men sleeping with men, there is no denying this, go look up that Lev erse in the old languages

It did not say homosexuality but it DID say men sleeping with men, this was not "Edited" you can read scrolls form thousands of years ago to back it up

Just like classifications of birds is new, and back then the word was "flying creatures" more or less, but since new words\ classification, it don't translate 100%

the point how ever is still there, putting homosexauilty is putting the closest word we have to it, but the idea is still the same having sex with men as a men is called wrong
So does that mean that lesbians won't be condemned since it's only bad if men are with men? (looking at the use of "mankind" in the lines)



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Whats more is you classified cretin things as "unquestionably wrong" but guess what? he dose too, what makes your ophion on those anymore right then his?

You say "its clear how murder is wrong, if you dont agree then your a monster\something is wrong"

But HE sees it the same was, as did hittler


why dose your side get to decide whats right and wrong?

why is your "no doubt" wrong any more creditable then theirs?

he agrees with most of yours, but he has one that is not shared and that one is wrong?
The Bible says that murder, pedophilia and rape are wrong which is what you're going by.


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But the thing is, it dose hurt themselfs (if you dont count the kids who could be born\kids they adopt and you belive a kid really needs "both parents" to have a good life) if there is a God, as well as who ever they are with, if they dont go to Christ.
You're assuming that they'll adopt kids. If they don't adopt kids then who is being hurt?



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Give up, I said it COULD

Here is somethings we know it can do

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/s...-suggests.html

So it CAN affect gender of the baby before birth
It CAN affect your sex drive
And we know that wild animals also mate better when they are "fatter" but not to fat.
That article didn't cover sexual orientation at all. You pulled that conclusion out of nowhere. You were the one who claimed that scientists didn't have conclusive answers on the origins of sexual orientation and now you're making scientific claims with no evidence at all.


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Where at all did he say he did not like them for who they arE? he said God loved them and he did not want their lfies to be ruined, that seems like what someone says when they LIKE you
Saying that someone's relationship is unnatural isn't exactly an endorsement. Like I said if God loved them and created them then why would he condemn his own creations?
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:09 PM   #152 (permalink)
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So does that mean that lesbians won't be condemned since it's only bad if men are with men? (looking at the use of "mankind" in the lines)
Thats it, this proves you did not even bother reading any of the verse, it says females lay with females to

way to go, dont even bother to read the verse and alredy trying to "disprove it"



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The Bible says that murder, pedophilia and rape are wrong which is what you're going by.
You will find I never said they where not wrong, just that WE follow a "higher power" and you say that some of its wrong, and yours is right

what makes you more right on things then us?

I agree murder is wrong, but uf we can be wrong about gays why cant you also be wrong?*





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You're assuming that they'll adopt kids. If they don't adopt kids then who is being hurt?
Please read again, according to the bible, they are.

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That article didn't cover sexual orientation at all. You pulled that conclusion out of nowhere. You were the one who claimed that scientists didn't have conclusive answers on the origins of sexual orientation and now you're making scientific claims with no evidence at all.
Your really mpulling, I never said it did, I said it talks nabout how diet can affect the SEX


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Give up, I said it COULD

Here is somethings we know it can do

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/s...-suggests.html

So it CAN affect gender of the baby before birth
Notice could? as in may not, and then I say here is something we know it can do, and then provide a link? that's the context that lets you know I'm showing ways that diet already affects us, to show that its not far fetched to say diet affects things in your body or brain, becuse it doswe happen, foods can affect many things in our brains\lifes

just look at puberty and how it seems to happen faster now because of DIET

Cant you understand what could means?

I'm not saying thats WHY it happens I even said we dont know where it comes form it MAY come form there


The point is, you, I or anyone else dont know.

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Saying that someone's relationship is unnatural isn't exactly an endorsement. Like I said if God loved them and created them then why would he condemn his own creations?
No one said God did not love them*, he hates the act of being gay, he don't "condemn" humans he commode's sex with the same sex


*In this thread at least. some believe it to be sure, but they have just as much right to believe in their morals as you or I do.

just like he condemns murder or lying, it don't mean he don't love them, he loves everyone, but he dont love sin, which he says being gay is

You condemn somethings I'm sure as wrong and some people you know do it and you still care for them, tell me if your kid hated gays would you never forgive your kid and never love them?

Could we be wrong? yep, just like you could.

Also saying murder is wrong because.... it clearly is, is not an endorsement either but you see nothing wrong with you doing that do you?
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:26 PM   #153 (permalink)
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Thats it, this proves you did not even bother reading any of the verse, it says females lay with females to
That other line was about prostitution. It wasn't about being gay.



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Your really mpulling, I never said it did,
Yes you did. You only backtracked when I pointed out how absurd it was. You said may but you didn't post a study that specifically showed a correlation between the mother's diet and the sexual orientation of the child. So how could you make a guess if no one else has found a link?


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No one said God did not love them*, he hates the act of being gay, he don't "condemn" humans he commode's sex with the same sex


*In this thread at least. some believe it to be sure, but they have just as much right to believe in their morals as you or I do.

just like he condemns murder or lying, it don't mean he don't love them, he loves everyone, but he dont love sin, which he says being gay is

You condemn somethings I'm sure as wrong and some people you know do it and you still care for them, tell me if your kid hated gays would you never forgive your kid and never love them?
The letter said for them to open their eyes before "it's too late". Does that sound like approval?
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I hate religion, but, really, the stupidity here is not religion itself, but, the fucking stupid people that follow it. There are religious folks out there who don't do stupid shit like this, along with the terrible spelling and grammar this dildo has.
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:38 PM   #155 (permalink)
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Dude... I'M NOT ATHEIST. If it really matters, I'm Anglican.

Where my sources came from: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bmar.htm

It's all about personal interpretation.
I never said you where or where not, I'm saying what makes "your believes" right or wrong
as you made quite clear you found what he did wrong

as for your link, you will see the verse I posted are the same, but I showed "more" then the verse they list to get the context, if you narrow it down enough you can end up and find a place where christ says "kill them all" (next line is "would be wrong" and the word before is "to" so to kill them all would be wrong)


how ever please note, I respect your belifes, yours are no more right then mine or his and how I see it and I assum him to


there is no proof it WAS sexual, it says they where close, but it never says they DID have sex, some say becoming one is only possible WITH sex, but the bible says many times the church (all Christina) are one body and so many of us disagree with this

We are not "right" you are not right, there is not way to know who is right becuse of human interptation

even yours admits there is no proof they had a homosexual life, I dont see if you believe what being Gay is how ever


But do you deny the idea that its possible that back then kissing was not seen as a gay activity?



And your right personalty interptation is what its all about, so why cant he interpret his way, why is he wrong then?



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That other line was about prostitution. It wasn't about being gay.
your free to belive this but tell me why?


I'm not saying you cant belive that but I really think your trolling to avoid the questions

Show me some proof of you giving any care or even trying to talk about this for resl.

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Yes you did. You only backtracked when I pointed out how absurd it was.
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As for how Gays are made
I said we don't know, diet may influence it, we KNOW diet can effluence WHEN man (as in mankind)decides to mate, how (in terms of who they pick, and what they look for) and what not, maybe it can effluence what they pick
As for God, it could be punishment, it could be God loves Gays and thats the next step, it could be God is a dick and we have the wrong guy in the bible and he just messing with us
This is what I said, I was giving exsamples of what may caused, this, I even said God could do it, nothing at all said that

Saying it may could do, and that we dont know makes it clear

the point is we dont know, its possible these things do it but it MAY NOT BE

Stop doing this now, one last time I'm not freaking saying murder is okay, I'm not saying rape is okay, I'm not saying that diet affects if your gay or not


I'm askign what makes you so sure, when we have NO proof

its one thing to state hypothetical things like what MAY cause it (and admit you dont know, nor dose anyone else) which is what I did, the.

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Wrong, what I said wasYou said may but you didn't post a study that specifically showed a correlation between the mother's diet and the sexual orientation of the child. So how could you make a guess if no one else has found a link?
It's not a guess, its an example of what may happen, its just saying "we dont know"
I could of just as easily said "fariys make it happen"

the point being ANYTHING right now can be the cause of it, we dont know

You "laughed" at me for saying that being gay may be caused by diet, I was not trying to "prove" that one, but show you why its not "impossible" like your acting



Do you think hormones are not affected by diet?
if the answer is no, you would be wrong, there are things that raise hormones, this is proved, by science alone, by things that raise testosterone for those who have low T. assuming what ever cause someone to like a male or female is a hormone why cant it be said its POSSIBLE that something affects those hormones
(we alredy have things that incress your hormone to the opposite sex, why not the same gender as well?)

Again I'm not saying this IS or trying to prove this is what being gay is, the point I'm making is that there is nothing saying what being gay is


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The letter said for them to open their eyes before "it's too late". Does that sound like approval?[
I never said they had to approve of someone being gay, even then, remember in this context, he si worried about THIS life, he is more worried there that this life will be bad for them it seems then God

He even quoted how his Daugherty life was ruined by it (in his mind)

We dont approve of "sin" forgive them and help them is what we are called to do*


*I dont belive thats forcing them to do anything, if they say leave we should leave ASAIC
But nothing in the bible ever tells us to aprove of sin.

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I don't actually care what this man believes in or what he likes/dislikes. The rules of common courtesy dictate that you don't run up on strangers in public and make personal comments or criticisms.
DING DING DING! CORRECT ANSWER.

Basic social awareness tells the dude that other ppl think he's crazy just as he thinks others are crazy, but no one goes up to him and tells him "You're ruining ppl's lives by spreading your beliefs," which is what WE believe. Keep it to yourself; they know some religious ppl think they're going to hell, this isn't news to gay ppl, and yet they're still gay.
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I am sure that had this been the other way around it wouldn't even make it to the news. Sucks
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Question: What makes these things "unquestionably wrong?"

Note, I'm looking for a rational, unemotional answer.

You need a "rational" justification for why things like rape, murder, and pedophilia are wrong? Seriously?

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I'd like to know what basis you have to say that these things are unquestionably wrong. Is it that most people think they're wrong, and that they're wrong on the basis of majority opinion?
Maybe the fact that those actions seriously harm other people which any person with scruples would be against.
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I thought it was a great heel turn by the manager.
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