So you don't think murder is wrong? There are some things that are unquestionably wrong. Rape, pedophilia, and murder are some examples. In fact, the guy who wrote the letter would agree with that because The Bible condemns people who engage in those acts. The parts about condemning gay people were only added in recently because terms like "homosexual" weren't created until the 19th century. Over time people modified the interpretation of The Bible to fit their agenda.
Show proof please, the homosexuality yes, that's a new word, but the oringal word was men sleeping with men, there is no denying this, go look up that Lev erse in the old languages
It did not say homosexuality but it DID say men sleeping with men, this was not "Edited" you can read scrolls form thousands of years ago to back it up
Just like classifications of birds is new, and back then the word was "flying creatures" more or less, but since new words\ classification, it don't translate 100%
the point how ever is still there, putting homosexauilty is putting the closest word we have to it, but the idea is still the same having sex with men as a men is called wrong
you keep claiming its edited but you show no proof?
In fact I'm the only one that has posted anything of the sort, a guy posted verse numbers, and I posted what they said, he then claimed they where the wrong ones
but they are no.
Whats more is you classified cretin things as "unquestionably wrong" but guess what? he dose too, what makes your ophion on those anymore right then his?
You say "its clear how murder is wrong, if you dont agree then your a monster\something is wrong"
But HE sees it the same was, as did hittler
why dose your side get to decide whats right and wrong?
why is your "no doubt" wrong any more creditable then theirs?
he agrees with most of yours, but he has one that is not shared and that one is wrong?
Being gay isn't something that will hurt the lives of others. If someone is born a certain way that will negatively impact the lives of others (i.e. psychopaths) then the person needs therapy to learn how to deal with their problems.
But the thing is, it dose hurt themselfs (if you dont count the kids who could be born\kids they adopt and you belive a kid really needs "both parents" to have a good life) if there is a God, as well as who ever they are with, if they dont go to Christ.
As a chirstain as far as you know, if they dont go to Christ and sadily, some belive, if they dont stop being Gay then it will harm them as well as others, in this lifer and the next
The book of Leviticus condemns a lot of things like tattoos, working on Sunday, cutting your hair or shaving, wearing clothes made from more than one fabric, and advocates killing people who commit adultery. If the lines you used are supposed to be interpreted as condemning gay people then why ignore the other rules?
How about you read the bible instead of posting the cliche stuff you see on the itnert all the time
Christ says let the first man who is sinless throw the first stone meaning you cant stone someone for seining because we also sined, whats more its not just Leviticus, roman, a new tesetment book even says its wrong
So even if you believe Christ made the OT no good any more, and only the nt matters (many do) gays are still listed as wrong
As for why they believe it, the ot is the old covenant, and the new one is the well new
some verse says the old gives way to the new, I believe there is more to it then that but unlike most I know and belive there is NO WAY any of us, me you or him can truly know whats right and wrong if there is a God, and if there is not, then we have to ask why would anything be wrong if there is nothing to set the rules?
back on topic about levi
Half of those are
A. no longer needed as we cant pash judgement God will do that at the end times now, Christ told us only the sinlles may dish out the punishment (not in those words of course) we have no room to talk, so the killings no longer happen. Even then we are called to do what Christ dose, which is forgive, so if they sin we are to forgive, how ever Christ also helped pepole he did not even know "fight" their sinful ways, as this man did.
B. Apllyed to jews\where used because they made men "unclean" where now its not about staying unclean, but following Jesus
Back then the rules where there because you could NOT ask for forgiveness, sacrifices and many other things where needed, and those things they said dont do made you unclean
Back then Sin was bad becuse it could be hard to forgiving and those who where unclean could make others unclean, that's not longer the case.
Jesus and other things have made most of those rules no longer aplly OR its just like when we lie, its bad but is forgiving, I wont tell you I follow every rule in the bible, to do so would to be perfect, and I am not. The problem you make is you ask why we dont follow this rule or this rule, and many times the simple awnser is we dont cause we dont want to, we sin, we choice to keep doing it, we never said we where perfect (I'm sure some have)
But you did not bother to look that up did you?
Nope, you read Leviticus, see something we don't follow and assumed we pick and choice,with OUT reading the whole bible
Do me a favor read the Constitution but read only cretin parts, you know, avoid the one that says women can now vote, would it be fair to say america is sexist? NO becuse later on it says they can, just as the bible dose to
Wait you said that diet can make someone gay? LMAO!!!!!!!!
Give up, I said it COULD
Here is somethings we know it can do
So it CAN affect gender of the baby before birth
It CAN affect your sex drive
And we know that wild animals also mate better when they are "fatter" but not to fat.
So how is this one out of the question? it can alredy affect your kids gender, why not what gender they like?
Tell me why is it so funny?
It afects how your brain works in many ways I.E brain foods, mints make you remember things and freshens your mind
Some things you take in to your body make you "see things" or affect your emotions\actions
Tell me why is it so far fetched to think that it may have at least some affect on being gay, they would STILL be born that way, if thats the case, (in terms if it matters what the mom eats)
What makes my way of thinking different than Hitler's? Are you kidding me? For one, I do not have a deep-seated hatred for Jewish persons that leads me to try to exterminate them.
But you are as convinced as he is that there is noting wrong with being Gay, as he was convinced there was nothing wrong with what he did
As the guy is convinced its clear why being gay is wrong
he would say for one, man should not sleep with man
a you would say man should not kill man.
my point being
Me, you, him, or anyone else on this planet saying its WRONG dont make it so.
We can agree something is wrong 9Murder)
But what if it turns out there is no God and we are just like other animals who kill their own kind all the time?
then there would really be NOTHING wrong with it, or anything really
maybe there is no God but there still is a moral code, the point is what makes YOUR morals of what are "Clearly wrong" the right ones?
Why not the bibles?
Why dose your picks need nothing to be "wrong" but being gay cant be wrong because it clearly is?
I'm not leaving, I noticed you skip out when I ask you the hard questions about the bible
its classic "Lol Christians pick and choice!" *Enter verses form the atheist bible, most likely form the OT* then you dont even bother to look at just copy and paste, that same website that has answers form christian for almost ALL of them, and the guy even says HE CANT SAY THEY ARE WRONG
And when I start giving exsplanjations that dont go your way its "lol you don't know what your saying give up now lol" and back to "lol you pick and choice"
Your trying to say because homosexaulity now days is kissing that it was kissing to, but you guys are right homosexuality back then was NOT around. what was, was men laying with men as they would with a women (sex) which God called wrong
Dose that mean kissing a guy is wrong? I dont think so, many old empires where the bible started kissing was a sign of welcome like a hand shake not a sign of sex
Another exsamlpe is females breast, hell, even today USA is one of the few places where its a "Sex thing" females used to go with out tops all the time, not every single man there was in sin
Here in the 21ceuntry evreything sex
holding hands? a build up to sex\if a guy and girl hold hand shtye MUST be a couple
kiss? if its two of the same gender it means they are gay (Di spite one coming form a mother to her daughters)
Also once again, why have you made no mention of where excellently the verses where wrong?
Post the verse your self then so I can see what your talking about
Originally Posted by kobra860
There's nothing polite and civil about writing a letter to someone that you don't even know about how much you don't like them for who they are. It's not anyone's business. He's not acting in kindness. Let's not get delusional here. If he was, he would have spelled affection correctly. lol.
Where at all did he say he did not like them for who they arE? he said God loved them and he did not want their lfies to be ruined, that seems like what someone says when they LIKE you