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Old 01-19-2013, 01:23 AM   #131 (permalink)
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He's gonna say AIDS. That's how homosexuals are harmful to other people.

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Old 01-19-2013, 01:27 AM   #132 (permalink)
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I feel stupider for having participated in this thread, left, come BACK, and participated again.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:28 AM   #133 (permalink)
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I never said he did, but thats, sadly the common belief right now in church it seems*


*It's getting better

As for how its unnatural and harmful?

I dont think it is, why he feels it is
A. his daughter life was ruined by it, in his mind, what happen we dont know but the point is he blames being gay for it.
B. God says it is (his letter even says it)

Is it? I dont know, if God exist? then YES it is. if not? it still may be

We still dont know what causes being gay, its possible that being gay has increased in humans due to diet, evolution, God him self

Or maybe its aleins affecting us

there are a billion reasons it could be unnatural and harmful, if your in to science the besty I can see (I dont agree with this) It gose against what evolution sets out to do, the best are not all straight, some of the best will never pass on their genes because they are gay

It's possible (dont tell me how unlikly it is, we really have no way of knowing) that this will incress so much that one day being gay is the majoirty (if its in fact a being born with, and numbers are inded increasing
That would be harmful


Its possible being gay IS a mutation that DOSE cause problems, give you MOST have been debunked its still not proven not to be in anyway, of course you never really can so dont really matter I guess



Hell its possible we are just animals and "nothing is wrong" we can kill like other animals and nothing is wrong with it in a grand scheme
So being gay or not would be the last of our concerns


We know next to nothing about being gay, it has only begun to not be tabooed (since science and mdeiacl can "figure it out")

So we can say for fact if its good or bad, for all we know its the early sign of evolution getting rid of humans (Which come to think of it is okay since that wont be for billions of years then)

We dont know if its natural, man mande, God made etc

We know nothing about it, there is no way to know why its there right now, so we cant comment

You see nothing wrong with it now, people saw nothing wrong with slavery, human sacrifice, women being under men
etc

I dont think its wrong, but I know and admit what I feel about it dont make it a damn thing

if I think its right, dont mean it is, if i think its wrong dont mean it is

My belief that its okay is NOT better then his, its not a fact, he has just a right to come with that conclusion then I do with mine

Why is MY (our?) way okay but his not?

Because we say so? Sorry, not buying it, we need real reassons cause he could say the same thing

I cant give a single damn reason why, and form the look of this thread no one else has either

Seeing nothing wrong wih it dose not make it right

seeing nothing right with it dont make it wrong

Even then, not evreything thats "wrong" to us is harmful, there is nothing wrong with incest, but guess what? two gay brothers will still be in trouble *

* the gay part was so that there is no child born with problems.

Heck if not that then step siblings wont be able to either.

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Old 01-19-2013, 01:38 AM   #134 (permalink)
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Where does God condemn homosexuality in the Bible?

Gays are created by diet or aliens?

A billion reasons for it being harmful and unnatural? You only named one, homosexuals can't reproduce together... That doesn't mean reproduction is impossible. Intercourse doesn't even need to occur today for reproduction.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:50 AM   #135 (permalink)
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Where does God condemn homosexuality in the Bible?
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Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Note, the reason we don't kill them, is Christ came back latter and said "let the man who is sinless throw the first stone" since none of us are sinless, we are just like them

Plus Christ died for all men sin so that we are "forgiving" more or less, even if yopu dont want it, we are to forgive like Christ *

* We sure do a bang up job of that dont we?

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Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
Now please note most of these DO have a translation\explanation that makes it NOT about being gay, how ever most are not accepted\they reach
many the last one, has none, that I'm aware of

There may be a diffreint point for the last one, I have not seen it, if you must know the first ones some believe that the Greek terms used were meant to describe the homosexual behavior present at Pagan temples, a "lose" one at best but possible.

Some see roams as talking about prostitution rather then being gay, but they make no mention of WHY it mentions male on male and female on female then

So to be sure, its not 100% clear, but for many and their beliefs it is, just like your belife that its ok, or that its not a choice and your born that way

As for how Gays are made
I said we don't know, diet may influence it, we KNOW diet can effluence WHEN man (as in mankind)decides to mate, how (in terms of who they pick, and what they look for) and what not, maybe it can effluence what they pick
As for God, it could be punishment, it could be God loves Gays and thats the next step, it could be God is a dick and we have the wrong guy in the bible and he just messing with us

As for it being harmfulness I gave more, if God exist then he says it is, and there for it is (sucks to be sure)

I said it may be a mutation, which could end up being more problematic later
it could still be a mental illness (this one is the least likely oddly enough, so many things that would "make it one" can and have been proven wrong but there are still some of them that have not)

It could also be a sign of becoming "Savage" (This is one of the worst I ever heard and I disagree with it 200% but the simple fact is I cant "disprove it" and just its just as a valid opinion as any of the ones I have for why its okay)

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Old 01-19-2013, 01:57 AM   #136 (permalink)
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What about Samuel 18:1, 20:41, Ruth 1:16-17, and Daniel 1:9?

Have you actually read the book of Leviticus?

If God condemns gay persons why is there debate among Christians as to whether or not homosexuality is a sin? Are Christians to take the word of Leviticus over that of the Ten Commandments?

Again, I have never in this thread subscribed to the "born this way" theory. Not all homosexual persons subscribe to that either.
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Old 01-19-2013, 02:09 AM   #137 (permalink)
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A huge can of worms has been opened..good luck with finding any reason or sanity in this world, especially because of man made book (and I'm a christian lol).
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What about Samuel 18:1,
Let's work one at a time here.

Please note its impossible me to check all translations, so it would help if you could list the one you have in mind (like oen that says they had sex)

the main one I'm using is the NIV

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After David had finished talking with Saul, Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself.
This says he loved him, how ever Jesus loved his dad
I love My brother, it DON'T mean that they had sex


Again thats ONE explanation, is it the right one? I dont know
But to give more to it
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22 Then Saul ordered his attendants: “Speak to David privately and say, ‘Look, the king likes you, and his attendants all love you;
Do you think becuse it says they loved him it means they had sex?

The one with the spirt thing is werid, but ti dont mean its sex


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55 When Saul saw David going out against the Philistine, he said to Abner, the commander of the army, “Abner, whose son is this youth?”

And Abner said, “As your soul lives, O king, I do not know.”

56 So the king said, “Inquire whose son this young man is.”

57 Then, as David returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, Abner took him and brought him before Saul with the head of the Philistine in his hand. 58 And Saul said to him, “Whose son are you, young man?”

So David answered, “I am the son of your servant Jesse the Bethlehemite.”
This is the end of the chapter before that one, it sounds almost like he is adopting the guy as his own kid... is it? I dont know.

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20:41
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41 As soon as the lad had gone, David arose from a place toward the south, fell on his face to the ground, and bowed down three times. And they kissed one another; and they wept together, but David more so. 42 Then Jonathan said to David, “Go in peace, since we have both sworn in the name of the Lord, saying, ‘May the Lord be between you and me, and between your descendants and my descendants, forever.’” So he arose and departed, and Jonathan went into the city.
The best thing I've ever heard for this is two

one: A kiss is NOT being gay, kiss on the cheek, or hell in some places a guy kisisng another is okay, its not always been seen as gay to kiss, it could of been like how a dad kiss his kid good night.

Two: Gay in the bible, is about LAYING with them, SLEPPING, having sex, nothing says kissing is "part of that"

there are more, and one of the most clear

The bibe is full of Gods own people sinning they could of done that, it could of been a sin, just becue its in the bible dont make it okay to do, kain and able


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Ruth 1:16-17,
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11 But Naomi said, “Turn back, my daughters; why will you go with me? Are there still sons in my womb, that they may be your husbands? 12 Turn back, my daughters, go—for I am too old to have a husband. If I should say I have hope, if I should have a husband tonight and should also bear sons, 13 would you wait for them till they were grown? Would you restrain yourselves from having husbands? No, my daughters; for it grieves me very much for your sakes that the hand of the Lord has gone out against me!”

14 Then they lifted up their voices and wept again; and Orpah kissed her mother-in-law, but Ruth clung to her.

15 And she said, “Look, your sister-in-law has gone back to her people and to her gods; return after your sister-in-law.” 16 But Ruth said:

“Entreat me not to leave you,
(think you missed it by a verse)

The kissing again, its form a mother to a daughter, nothing says
A. kissing is part of that
B. is it not okay for a kid to kiss their mother?


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and Daniel 1:9?
I really dont see this one...

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8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s delicacies, nor with the wine which he drank; therefore he requested of the chief of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself. 9 Now God had brought Daniel into the favor and goodwill of the chief of the eunuchs. 10 And the chief of the eunuchs said to Daniel, “I fear my lord the king, who has appointed your food and drink. For why should he see your faces looking worse than the young men who are your age? Then you would endanger my head before the king.”
This one is him saying he wont drink or defile him self...

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Have you actually read the book of Leviticus?
Yes, part of me wonders where you got this, but my guess is the atheist bible website

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If God condemns gay persons why is there debate among Christians as to whether or not homosexuality is a sin?
Becuse of human error, I can read the same worlds as you and get a whole nother meaning, and to be frank, most hear what anyone tells them and belives it, they dont really study the bible.
Its not that the bible is the problems, humans are, if we follow the bible 100% then we would love each other, not steal, not murder etc, we would do all the good thing it says, but like has been said form the start we are sin, we like sin, we keep sinning

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Are Christians to take the word of Leviticus over that of the Ten Commandments?
No, how ever the ten commandments do not get in the way of being gay being a sin and wrong
Shoe me the ten comadment that says being gay is okay?

it calls us to love them, and love we should, but remember, the main things about us is that we admit we are sunful adn cant "do" that, we will fail, and not in till we go to god will we be "cured" of our sin


Again, I have never in this thread subscribed to the "born this way" theory. Not all homosexual persons subscribe to that either.[/quote]
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Show me where the ten commandments say homosexuality is wrong.

I am not atheist and assuming I acquired my references from the "atheist bible website" is wrong, no matter how much you believe otherwise.

Additionally, you quoted many of the wrong verses that I mentioned and you equate homosexuality as being dependent on intercourse. Do you even know where you are going with your argument?

Hitler had the best intentions with his "Final Solution" but that in no way means he was justified in what he did. This man may have had the best intentions but that does not mean his actions are justified.
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I never said that the ten commencements do say that, but we don't just blindly follow the ten comadments and not anything else

why dose the ten comament have to say anything about gays?

Read those verses, I did not, the error may be becuse you use a iffrein translation, and just verses may be not the same (this is not "rare" but its not that big of a deal most time

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."


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a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
(NIV versiong is above)

They all say LAY with which means to sleep, they NEVER said anything else, we just assume that it means the same as it did today and gay =kissing as well

an example is Christ was kiss by Judas, this was not seen as "weird" by the others in till the gaurds where there

(this is part of the problem)

Again your taking our look at it, remember this is form back then, its possible the jews kissed to say hi and was not consider a "sexual" thing
I would not know this, right off the bat, I shall do some reacearch but remember your thinking like a 21st ceuntry person, think like someone back then, study what it meant and figure out what it always says LAY with when talking about it being a sin



I did not quote the wrong verse, check again they ARE the right ones, now its possible due to the version you use that they are not the same (it happens)

Look them up your self, What I did was go to Biblegate way .com and copy pasted what you gave me.
do the same, if there is an error, tell me which version you are using so I can use the same one.


I used NIV and NKJ (I loath this one)


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Hitler had the best intentions with his "Final Solution" but that in no way means he was justified in what he did. This man may have had the best intentions but that does not mean his actions are justified.
But like wise,y ou saying his actions are not justified don't mean they are not

Hitler just like you used his own thing to say "U'm right" why are you any diffrient form him? what makes you right and him wrong?

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