What about Samuel 18:1,
Let's work one at a time here.
Please note its impossible me to check all translations, so it would help if you could list the one you have in mind (like oen that says they had sex)
the main one I'm using is the NIV
After David had finished talking with Saul, Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself.
This says he loved him, how ever Jesus loved his dad
I love My brother, it DON'T mean that they had sex
Again thats ONE explanation, is it the right one? I dont know
But to give more to it
22 Then Saul ordered his attendants: “Speak to David privately and say, ‘Look, the king likes you, and his attendants all love you;
Do you think becuse it says they loved him it means they had sex?
The one with the spirt thing is werid, but ti dont mean its sex
found a bit better one
55 When Saul saw David going out against the Philistine, he said to Abner, the commander of the army, “Abner, whose son is this youth?”
And Abner said, “As your soul lives, O king, I do not know.”
56 So the king said, “Inquire whose son this young man is.”
57 Then, as David returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, Abner took him and brought him before Saul with the head of the Philistine in his hand. 58 And Saul said to him, “Whose son are you, young man?”
So David answered, “I am the son of your servant Jesse the Bethlehemite.”
This is the end of the chapter before that one, it sounds almost like he is adopting the guy as his own kid... is it? I dont know.
41 As soon as the lad had gone, David arose from a place toward the south, fell on his face to the ground, and bowed down three times. And they kissed one another; and they wept together, but David more so. 42 Then Jonathan said to David, “Go in peace, since we have both sworn in the name of the Lord, saying, ‘May the Lord be between you and me, and between your descendants and my descendants, forever.’” So he arose and departed, and Jonathan went into the city.
The best thing I've ever heard for this is two
one: A kiss is NOT being gay, kiss on the cheek, or hell in some places a guy kisisng another is okay, its not always been seen as gay to kiss, it could of been like how a dad kiss his kid good night.
Two: Gay in the bible, is about LAYING with them, SLEPPING, having sex, nothing says kissing is "part of that"
there are more, and one of the most clear
The bibe is full of Gods own people sinning they could of done that, it could of been a sin, just becue its in the bible dont make it okay to do, kain and able
11 But Naomi said, “Turn back, my daughters; why will you go with me? Are there still sons in my womb, that they may be your husbands? 12 Turn back, my daughters, go—for I am too old to have a husband. If I should say I have hope, if I should have a husband tonight and should also bear sons, 13 would you wait for them till they were grown? Would you restrain yourselves from having husbands? No, my daughters; for it grieves me very much for your sakes that the hand of the Lord has gone out against me!”
14 Then they lifted up their voices and wept again; and Orpah kissed her mother-in-law, but Ruth clung to her.
15 And she said, “Look, your sister-in-law has gone back to her people and to her gods; return after your sister-in-law.” 16 But Ruth said:
“Entreat me not to leave you,
(think you missed it by a verse)
The kissing again, its form a mother to a daughter, nothing says
A. kissing is part of that
B. is it not okay for a kid to kiss their mother?
I really dont see this one...
8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s delicacies, nor with the wine which he drank; therefore he requested of the chief of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself. 9 Now God had brought Daniel into the favor and goodwill of the chief of the eunuchs. 10 And the chief of the eunuchs said to Daniel, “I fear my lord the king, who has appointed your food and drink. For why should he see your faces looking worse than the young men who are your age? Then you would endanger my head before the king.”
This one is him saying he wont drink or defile him self...
Have you actually read the book of Leviticus?
Yes, part of me wonders where you got this, but my guess is the atheist bible website
If God condemns gay persons why is there debate among Christians as to whether or not homosexuality is a sin?
Becuse of human error, I can read the same worlds as you and get a whole nother meaning, and to be frank, most hear what anyone tells them and belives it, they dont really study the bible.
Its not that the bible is the problems, humans are, if we follow the bible 100% then we would love each other, not steal, not murder etc, we would do all the good thing it says, but like has been said form the start we are sin, we like sin, we keep sinning
Are Christians to take the word of Leviticus over that of the Ten Commandments?
No, how ever the ten commandments do not get in the way of being gay being a sin and wrong
Shoe me the ten comadment that says being gay is okay?
it calls us to love them, and love we should, but remember, the main things about us is that we admit we are sunful adn cant "do" that, we will fail, and not in till we go to god will we be "cured" of our sin
Again, I have never in this thread subscribed to the "born this way" theory. Not all homosexual persons subscribe to that either.[/QUOTE]