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Old 01-18-2013, 09:40 PM   #121 (permalink)
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I don't mean any disrespect to religious ppl, of all the religious ppl I've met they're the nicest ppl in the world, and I'm sure Rayfu is as well. However, if we're gonna look to the Old Testament for guidance on this, we're wasting our time. The Old Testament was passed down by oral tradition for over 3K yrs before it was written, and when it was written it was by rabbis who were essentially merging two separate Jewish states, so it was entirely political. So, I could care less what it says about homosexuality. Moses might have had amazing memory, but we can't say the same about every Jew in the chain of oral tradition before its being written down. And, even IF the three thousand yr long game of telephone worked (and it didn't), the Old Testament still isn't a credible source for human values, cuz we have no actual proof it came from G-d.

The US Constitution and Declaration of Independence were written by geniuses, in my opinion, and it sanctioned slavery and other horrible things; they represented the human values of their time, not eternally acceptable human values. We need to look at these moral issues based on logic, not strict interpretation of what other ppl believed. We have working brains, too. The Old Testament was a compilation of previous stories, codified by a bunch of rabbis during the formation of a new state. That's all there is to the Old Testament. And the New Testament was political too.

AND THEY DIDN'T COME FROM G-D anyway. No offense. I don't mind religious ppl having traditions, being pro-life (I respectfully disagree, but its a valid belief), being charitable, humble, etc. I like almost all religious ppl, and think its improves their lives. But if you wanna cite the Bible to justify BIGOTRY that actually harms ppl, then I'll tell you flat out to your face: RELIGION IS BULLSHIT.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:42 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Why are you comparing a mentally ill person who kills people to a gay person? It's obviously not OK for them to kill people. It's wrong and it's against the law.
So its wrong? who says? you? he says being gay is, and in many places it was\is, so what makes something wrong?

So by your logic they are the same, after all if you just saying "its obviously wrong" is enough then he finds being gay obviously wrong is ok.



My point was more of your using the whole "its not a choice thing" but I've shown a part where even if its not a choice you still think its wrong, so now we know you, like them (if we pretend we know for a fact being gay is not a choice) that you hate someone for doing something they where born with

Some call being gay mental ill, I DO NOT THINK they are, my point is they think the same things you do to justify there feelings, and the only difference is? well honestly nothing, other then what you choice to think is wrong



So in short, your saying options and one fact (its against the law), being gay WAS against the law\still is quite a few places, would you say its still wrong? if not then take away that whole "its against the law" part and your left with
"its wrong"

So its wrong because its... wrong?
so your reasons (that "fit") are because its wrong...
Hmm think his are more or less the same, except he has a whole "God says its wrong"
but lets put that in to options (You see? even I'm putting things on "my side" as non fact, and by that I mean God saying its wrong)

So its "wrong" is enough for something to be wrong? But he thinks that to soooo dose that mean being gay is wrong? No? then why is it enough for what you believe in?

The answer is double standard, you want reasons to not like gays, but your fine with giving no reasons (real ones, just like you wont take God said so, we wont take "cause it is") for things you find wrong

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Old 01-19-2013, 12:48 AM   #123 (permalink)
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Umm... people that have responded to you have given reasons as to why they think this man is wrong in what he did.
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:53 AM   #124 (permalink)
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No they have not, all they have said worth anything was he was wrong because being gay was not wrong. not what IO casll "reasons"

most of you said "its clear why its wrong" no, no its not.


once again we go back to "why is it wrong"
"because it is"

some have said because he hates gays which you call wrong (assuming that's wrong) where AT ALL is there hate in that letter? I see someone trying to safe someone for what that belive will ruin that persons life, how is that hate?



so he shows no hate, he in fact shows he cares for them

The closest thing here to a reason its wrong is judging someone based on what they are, but I've shown #1 its not proven you "are gay" no way to chance it, and I've shown that one guy (and I'd feel like most of you) are just fine not liking a guy who was born a psychopath becuse its "cleary wrong"

but its also clearly wrong to them to be gay... sooo they do the same you do put what you want as wrong and what you want as right and its "clear" why


So tell me what did he do wrong? hate them? please shoe me where the hate is
Not like the Gay life style, please show me where you HAVE to like all life styles.

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Old 01-19-2013, 12:56 AM   #125 (permalink)
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I don't actually care what this man believes in or what he likes/dislikes. The rules of common courtesy dictate that you don't run up on strangers in public and make personal comments or criticisms.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:00 AM   #126 (permalink)
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I never said this man outright hates these people, but he clearly sees their sexuality as harmful and unnatural, which it isn't.

Umm... explain, in detail, what exactly the "gay lifestyle" is.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:05 AM   #127 (permalink)
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I never said this man outright hates these people, but he clearly sees their sexuality as harmful and unnatural, which it isn't.

Umm... explain, in detail, what exactly the "gay lifestyle" is.
This is not a fact, it is still possible God exist, and so if right then this is INDEED just those things, you can claim all you want that its "not wrong" and say that in a billion languages your still only giving what you feel (not facts)which is the exact thing he did


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I don't actually care what this man believes in or what he likes/dislikes. The rules of common courtesy dictate that you don't run up on strangers in public and make personal comments or criticisms.
But its also common courtesy to warn those who are close to a bomb, drinking and driving, or taking a bad drug (I'm talking that synth stuff) not to do so as its bad

To him, that's what he is doing, these peoples lifers and very souls are in danger to him, tell me whats the rule on if you belive someone is about to die? not tell them anything not to hurt their feelings or warn them away form it?

In his mind and his beliefs, which he, like you, feel are right 100% he would have no choice but to warn them or be in the wrong
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Next time I'll see a gay person, I'll be a pal and warn them that GOD will smite them unless they start to become attracted to the opposite sex.

I'm a nice guy like that.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:15 AM   #129 (permalink)
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You notice he said God loved them and, I'll give you, its hard for me to read the letter off that pic, I see nothing about smiting, but even if it WAS THERE to him THAT WILL happen

tell me if you belive there was something bad coming to someone (I know you dont think that Gay is like a bomb\death or what ever, but remember to him, it IS) would you warn someone?

The answer I'd hope is yes, if you feel someone is in unimaginable danger, tortured for years type of danger, could you sit by?


He told them nicely, and told them what he felt, he did not force the issue did not do anything but say "I believe if you go down this path your life will be ruined, be careful and think about it"

He did not force it on to them did not say "you must change" he just said my daughters life was ruined and I don't want yours to be

It's possible the poor guy lost his kid, and he cant figure out why and so blames it on her\him being gay

the point is as far as he knows being gay is bad, it will send you to hell, you will suffer forever, this is worse then a rape killing, this is unimaginable things that will happen FOREVER (assuming he believes hell is as society has made it)

Thats not being insulting thats being worried about your fellow human

Also, form what I can tell, he was more concerned about THIS life, now then the other life, little to no mention of God, other then setting that God says being gay is wrong

He feels THIS life, will be ruined by it, it may be wrong, but I'd rather a guy warn me about a bomb and be wrong, then dont warn me about it and be right.

We dont have to agree with what he said, but realize he was trying to do what he felt was best for them, and safe them form pain, I cant think of anytime saving someone form pain is bad...
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Why would the Christian God hate gays? Additionally, can you show me how homosexuality is unnatural and harmful to all persons?
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