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Old 11-26-2012, 06:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Teen sentenced to 10 years of church....

Well I found this story interesting on a few levels... the first being a legal issue. To sum the story up, a teen wrecked and killed his friend while under the influence of alcohol... He could have faced up to 10 years in prison but neither family wanted that and agreed on a sentence... 10 years of church...and the judge agreed. Amazing.

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An Oklahoma teen was sentenced to a decade of attending church for manslaughter.
Tyler Alred, 17, pleaded guilty Tuesday to first-degree manslaughter for a car accident that resulted in his friend’s death. John Dum, 16, was pronounced dead at the scene after Alred, who had been drinking, crashed his pickup truck into a tree last December, authorities said.

But Muskogee County Judge Mike Norman handed down a lighter sentence than expected: 10 years in the church pews rather a jail cell. This deferred sentence is contingent upon Alred also completing high school and welding school.

The victim’s family and Alred’s attorney agreed to these terms. Nevertheless, the sentence generated controversy for mixing church with state matters.

Ryan Kiesel, the executive director of the ACLU’s Oklahoma chapter, criticized the judge’s decision as unconstitutional, reported RNS.

“It’s my understanding that this judge has recommended church in previous sentences, and I believe that goes too far, as well,” said Kiesel. “This, however, actually making it a condition of a sentence, is a clear violation of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.”

The sentence, on the other hand, has its supporters. Boulevard Christian Church Pastor James McCracken claims that the cross is, in his opinion, “the ultimate sign of hope,” according to Fox 23.

"I believe that being in a church situation puts you in an environment where you can hear things that will change your life,” said McCracken.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1205934


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Old 11-26-2012, 06:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Teen sentenced to 10 years of church....

I'd rather prison tbh
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Default Re: Teen sentenced to 10 years of church....

jail or even the death sentence (not that he'd gotten death) isn't unconstitutional but church is.

So fucking awesome I can't stand it.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Teen sentenced to 10 years of church....

Inappropriate. Drunky McDrunkerson should be in jail.

I wonder what alternate sentence this judge would have recommended for a non-churchgoing killed-somebody-with-a-car offender.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: Teen sentenced to 10 years of church....

separation of church and state no longer exists...actually, it never did.
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Default Re: Teen sentenced to 10 years of church....

This surprisingly doesn't piss me off.
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separation of church and state no longer exists...actually, it never did.
Guessing you don't know what separation of church and state is.


He should've went to jail. How is 10 years of church even comparable? In prison this kid would probably experience hell and not want to do it again. Obviously he doesn't care much for religion.
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Guessing you don't know what separation of church and state is.


He should've went to jail. How is 10 years of church even comparable? In prison this kid would probably experience hell and not want to do it again. Obviously he doesn't care much for religion.
Maybe, that is the point. Get the kid to care about religion which theoretically cause him to make a change for the better and eventually become a priest to make sure to influence other people to not make the same mistakes that he made?
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Default Re: Teen sentenced to 10 years of church....

i thought the constitution prevent cruel and unusual punishment
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I'd say he's getting off easy, but honestly I can't stand going to church. I'd probably get bored to death being forced to go to church. But hey, at least it's not prison. So I guess I can say he's getting off easy.
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