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post #71 of 115 (permalink) Old 11-14-2012, 08:38 PM
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Re: Transexual Couple - Unlikely Couple

Just to educate the people in here who say that this couple definitely need counselling or any other variation of that:

What a lot of people don't understand is that there are many more human genders than just male and female, the reason for this being down to differing levels of exposure to chromosomes during conception and development in the womb. To make a boy you need to pass on a strong Y chromosome and for a female you need a strong X chromosome. Men are XY while women are XX.

Yet more often than is realised you'll get many variations of this. Some men don't have enough Y and can end up with Klinefelter syndrome (XXY) which leads to them having smaller genitals, possible infertility and weaker muscles. These people are defined as 'men' by society but their genetic make up does not suggest this and often they will identify themselves as something else.

Then there's the case of the XY female. This person will be born with female genitals plus gonads, which is usually dealt with by surgery post birth. So these 'women' go through life often having to live up to society's expectations of what a 'woman' should be, yet they could possibly feel like a man (or in between) for obvious reasons. Some of these women may be infertile and not experience periods, but without a check up at the doctor's about this side effect (some do ignore these problems) many of these people never actually find out that they're not genetically female.

Those are just two examples of variations in human chromosomes but there are many more with varying side effects (Marilyn Monroe was an XXX 'super woman' and I'm not talking about porn). Without having a test you can't even be one hundred percent certain that you're genetically male or female and I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of people on this site who may be oblivious to it. Not all variations are obvious and many don't even have side effects, so you would never know without a test!

In minor cases you often will see androgyny in men and women who may confirm themselves as being their society defined gender, but they will show signs of masculinity (ladettes, blokey women) or femininity (camp men). This can also lead to some variations in sexuality, which should seem quite obvious now.

So what this leads to is a large quantity of varied genders that are in between man and woman, but because of society's obsession with pigeon holing everything into nice safe categorys the general public often doesn't know or understand this. You know what I mean, boys wear blue, girls pink, etc. Genetics partly define humans in their behaviour (a man with high levels of testosterone is probably going to be aggressive at times) but it isn't always about nature, but more about nurture. If a young 'girl' feels boisterous (maybe a tom boy, could have an overdeveloped clitoris) but is in an environment where 'she' is encouraged to be feminine then that person may well go along with it. Then suddenly one day this person may turn around and decide to be who they really are due to a change in circumstances and growth in self confidence and self acceptance. It may seem like a sudden turn but that person has actually been a different gender their whole life without most realising it, so it's far more normal for them to want a sex change then many may think.

I think the main point should be that these people have the right to present themselves as something closer to their actual genetic make up. It doesn't harm those who are well informed and understand the situation of those going through these issues. If other people are intimidated by natures course then that's their problem for either being ignorant to reality, otherwise it's mainstream society's fault for not educating them (I only know because of studying Sociology). The Y chromosome has actually become far weaker in human males over time (lost 1,393 from 1,438 original genes) so it's not really a suprise to see so many different variations in gender being discovered. Eventually it could become entirely lost leading to Human's evolving a new reproduction method/system like other species.

As a disclaimer I'd like to point out that there are some cases of 'normal' XY males and XX females having sex xhanges which are likely due to mental health problems, but these incidents aren't anywhere near as widespread as many poorly informed people might suggest. Unfortunately it has become something of a stereotype and creates even more stigmas (don't they have enough already?) for those who are genuinely not male or female. The two people in the op's story may have had the change solely due to psychological issues, but it would be a rare case if so.

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post #72 of 115 (permalink) Old 11-14-2012, 08:41 PM
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Re: Transexual Couple - Unlikely Couple

Those weird chromosomes aren't new sex's that we're just discovering, they're deviations, and mutations.

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New deviations and mutations are happening all the time, therefore new genders are being discovered all of the time. I hope this helps.



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An adult starting a relationship with a 12 year old is strange to begin with so could you really trust someone like that?
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The disturbing part to me about a 20+ year old having a relationship with a preteen girl is that he obviously had to have had sexual thoughts about her if he is going forward with the relationship. The whole "being in love" thing is a young girl's way of looking at things. All guys will have thoughts about sex with the girl they want to be with in the back of their mind. That is creepy. Anyway don't want to derail this thread by talking about that case.

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Re: Transexual Couple - Unlikely Couple

Many asexual people don't have sexual relationships, that's including men. So not 'all guys will have thoughts about sex with the girl they want to be with in the back of their mind'. Not saying that this guy isn't sexually attracted to this under age girl (which is obviously not good) but it's wrong to assume and generalise that all men are like this.



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Re: Transexual Couple - Unlikely Couple

I was wrong to generalise that. But I am looking at this how most regular people would. That thought would never cross their mind and no one is going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. This relationship doesn't seem to be worth all the hassle when the odds of it working out is minimal.

I would like to know what the 12 year old is like tho. I can't imagine how she must be to have a much older guy think about being with her.

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In cases where much older men chase underage women, it's less about the girl being exceptional and more about the man being an insecure little goon who can't hold his own in a relationship with a woman his equal. So, he grooms a child to meet his needs, instead of letting her develop into a fully realized woman.

The girls in question tend to be nave and innocent, until it's too late.
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Yeah I think everyone involved in that story aren't really that smart. IIRC they are both singers or something, so this whole thing is probably a publicity stunt anyway. Both need to fire their agents/publicists for allowing them to go ahead with such a dumbass plan.

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Many asexual people don't have sexual relationships, that's including men. So not 'all guys will have thoughts about sex with the girl they want to be with in the back of their mind'. Not saying that this guy isn't sexually attracted to this under age girl (which is obviously not good) but it's wrong to assume and generalise that all men are like this.
Why should we give the guy in the story the benefit of the doubt? If the guy involved was fat and balding I'm pretty sure that the reactions here would be different.

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