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At first glance, everything about this adorable couple looks, well, adorably normal — just a couple of lucky teens in love. But beneath the surface, their relationship is anything but ordinary. Both Katie Hill and her boyfriend, Arin Andrews, are transgender. Eighteen-year-old Katie was known as Luke for the first 15 years of her life, the son of a Marine colonel. And Arin, 16, was born a girl called Emerald who won beauty contests and adored ballet. The pair met at a Tulsa trans support group and say they instantly bonded. Both kids say they always knew they were born in the wrong bodies, and an anonymous donor even paid for Katie’s $40,000 gender reassignment surgery. We’re rooting for you kids.
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Good for them, I think it's pretty cool. I hope this gets tons of positive exposure in a way that feminine dudes can finally be accepted to change to what they always wanted to be, instead of turning into depressed emo kids.
 
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#71 ·
Just to educate the people in here who say that this couple definitely need counselling or any other variation of that:

What a lot of people don't understand is that there are many more human genders than just male and female, the reason for this being down to differing levels of exposure to chromosomes during conception and development in the womb. To make a boy you need to pass on a strong Y chromosome and for a female you need a strong X chromosome. Men are XY while women are XX.

Yet more often than is realised you'll get many variations of this. Some men don't have enough Y and can end up with Klinefelter syndrome (XXY) which leads to them having smaller genitals, possible infertility and weaker muscles. These people are defined as 'men' by society but their genetic make up does not suggest this and often they will identify themselves as something else.

Then there's the case of the XY female. This person will be born with female genitals plus gonads, which is usually dealt with by surgery post birth. So these 'women' go through life often having to live up to society's expectations of what a 'woman' should be, yet they could possibly feel like a man (or in between) for obvious reasons. Some of these women may be infertile and not experience periods, but without a check up at the doctor's about this side effect (some do ignore these problems) many of these people never actually find out that they're not genetically female.

Those are just two examples of variations in human chromosomes but there are many more with varying side effects (Marilyn Monroe was an XXX 'super woman' and I'm not talking about porn). Without having a test you can't even be one hundred percent certain that you're genetically male or female and I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of people on this site who may be oblivious to it. Not all variations are obvious and many don't even have side effects, so you would never know without a test!

In minor cases you often will see androgyny in men and women who may confirm themselves as being their society defined gender, but they will show signs of masculinity (ladettes, blokey women) or femininity (camp men). This can also lead to some variations in sexuality, which should seem quite obvious now.

So what this leads to is a large quantity of varied genders that are in between man and woman, but because of society's obsession with pigeon holing everything into nice safe categorys the general public often doesn't know or understand this. You know what I mean, boys wear blue, girls pink, etc. Genetics partly define humans in their behaviour (a man with high levels of testosterone is probably going to be aggressive at times) but it isn't always about nature, but more about nurture. If a young 'girl' feels boisterous (maybe a tom boy, could have an overdeveloped clitoris) but is in an environment where 'she' is encouraged to be feminine then that person may well go along with it. Then suddenly one day this person may turn around and decide to be who they really are due to a change in circumstances and growth in self confidence and self acceptance. It may seem like a sudden turn but that person has actually been a different gender their whole life without most realising it, so it's far more normal for them to want a sex change then many may think.

I think the main point should be that these people have the right to present themselves as something closer to their actual genetic make up. It doesn't harm those who are well informed and understand the situation of those going through these issues. If other people are intimidated by natures course then that's their problem for either being ignorant to reality, otherwise it's mainstream society's fault for not educating them (I only know because of studying Sociology). The Y chromosome has actually become far weaker in human males over time (lost 1,393 from 1,438 original genes) so it's not really a suprise to see so many different variations in gender being discovered. Eventually it could become entirely lost leading to Human's evolving a new reproduction method/system like other species.

As a disclaimer I'd like to point out that there are some cases of 'normal' XY males and XX females having sex xhanges which are likely due to mental health problems, but these incidents aren't anywhere near as widespread as many poorly informed people might suggest. Unfortunately it has become something of a stereotype and creates even more stigmas (don't they have enough already?) for those who are genuinely not male or female. The two people in the op's story may have had the change solely due to psychological issues, but it would be a rare case if so.

Boring lesson over ladies and gentlemen.
 
#46 · (Edited)
My q is "Where is the line?". 50 years ago same sex marriage was out of the question and homosexuality was pretty much taboo. Now everyone is shouting "But if they love each other, it's alright!" and now it's considered normal (in our society). Where do we go from here? Maybe 50 years later we'll be legalizing underage marriages then? A 40-year old will have a right to marry a 12-year old girl because come on "They love each other, so that's ok.". Everyone is becoming such a pussy in this society that it's not even funny. And don't say that BS like underage marriage isn't gonna happen because the same thing was said about same sex marriage decades ago... and look where we are now.
 
#61 ·
The line is CONSENTING ADULTS.

Gay people, trans people deserve equal rights, because they're both adults who are mentally capable of giving consent.

Underage marriage is not an equivalent situation - which is why, even though it was common in our barbaric past, it is largely frowned upon.
 
#51 ·
I know a Transexual Person personally, so some of your ignorant comments disgust me.

But I try not to get angry, because I know there are many people out there,
just don't understand it and saying "Well, they're just sick in their minds!" because they have no idea how it feels like. :lol

And that's why it's so hard for SO many people, to go through all of this.
You have NO FUCKING idea through how many psychological conversations with doctors and physical treatment they go before they can even think about taking hormons or something. It's a progress of years.

I'm glad she can do it. And I will be glad for her, if she can finally do the operation. ;)
People doing this are so happy, after they do the last step to their sex change.
So it can't be a bad thing.
 
#10 ·
Team WWCTurbo please move to your right
Team Gandhi please move to your left.

Now discuss.

In my opinion I think this isn't negative at all, it opens a lot of doors to people who don't feel confortable with their body.
 
#15 ·
I love this story - good support networks are essential for people making transitions. Support groups and peer counselling and social activities don't just happen, though. Volunteers are required every step of the way. So, it's a victory for these two AND all the people who helped.

And aren't they just as cute as puppies?
 
#16 ·
To each his/her own (no pun intended...), they look happy so good for them. The only thing that made me uncomfortable was the fact that when I saw the picture of that girl (?) I though she (?) looked kinda hot. It makes me nervous that its getting harder to tell an attractive girl from a guy with a good snip job.
 
#24 · (Edited)
She looks like a cute girl because she is a cute girl. It's that simple.
I wouldn't go that far. I'll use 'she' or 'her' to refer to them because it would make them happy but I can't exactly think of them as really being women.

That's because they are broken mentally and their wires are crossed. They need counseling, not a sex change. They weren't born in the wrong body, they just think making the ultimate change will save them from whatever pain they are going through. And almost all of them are unhappy with the results and become worse off than before. Not all, obviously, but most. They need to go talk to a professional and sort out their issues and accept who they are, not irreversibly hack the shit out of their body. The mind is the same, regardless, and therein is where the problem is.
I'm not sure about this, but aren't they required to have counselling sessions if they want a sex change operation? Unless they go to a country with more relaxed laws about such operations or something.
 
#21 ·
I don't understand the whole "trapped in the wrong body" issues transsexuals have. But if changing their bodies makes them happy, I'm cool with it. They aren't bothering anyone and it doesn't have any effect on other peoples lives.

That's because they are broken mentally and their wires are crossed. They need counseling, not a sex change. They weren't born in the wrong body, they just think making the ultimate change will save them from whatever pain they are going through. And almost all of them are unhappy with the results and become worse off than before. Not all, obviously, but most. They need to go talk to a professional and sort out their issues and accept who they are, not irreversibly hack the shit out of their body. The mind is the same, regardless, and therein is where the problem is.
 
#23 ·
The status of the genitals is one of the less important things in the conversation, but I'm guessing that Mr. Andrews hasn't had much in the way of surgery because the surgery for trans men is less advanced and less successful than the ones for trans women and because he's still underage. The article said that a private donor paid for Ms. Hill's gender reassignment, but didn't say if she had completed it to her satisfaction.
 
#28 ·
They probably say the same stuff the normal couples say "Daddy and me (other daddy) really loved each other and so you were born" and etc. After the kid becomes an early teenager I'm pretty sure he/she already realizes the actual situation.
 
#30 ·
Well how do you like that. Always wondered with some transgender people how their sexuality leans. More fascinated than anything I suppose. I guess in this case they both wanted to be the other gender, but still liked the "opposite" sex once getting the change done. It's interesting to say the least. I have no problems. Whatever makes you happy I say.
 
#32 ·
Now that's something you don't hear everyday. I'm sure when they um, do it, they will look at their genitalia and realize that they both used to have what the other person has. How weird. But hey, as long as they are happy, that's all that matters.
 
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