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**Hamada** · 10-30-2012, 03:51 PM

Interesting fact about the European Union. It's "anthem" (Ode to Joy) was once the national anthem of Rhodesia.

Evil Neville · 10-30-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GOON The Legend

The EU is doing a p. awful job at the moment. We'd be fools to base anything we do after them, or to even listen to their advice.

If anything, we should listen to people like Ludwig Von Mises, Murry N. Rothbard, and RON PAUL.

With the exception of Ron Paul, aren't you supposed to be anti-left wing/anti-liberal? Because von Mises and Rothbard were far left/anarchists and very much liberal.

**GOON The Legend** · 10-30-2012, 03:58 PM

Classical Liberals and Modern Day Liberals (aka: scum) are p. different.

Evil Neville · 10-30-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GOON The Legend

Classical Liberals and Modern Day Liberals (aka: scum) are p. different.

You're confusing liberalism with left-center here. Political spectrums in USA are so confusing.

**GOON The Legend** · 10-30-2012, 04:07 PM

I'm not confusing anything, at least in regards to political ideologies in the United States and since I'm American, that is the political spectrum I'm referring to.

In America, Classical Liberals are totally different from Modern Liberals. Mises and Rothbard would spit on Obama.

Evil Neville · 10-30-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GOON The Legend

I'm not confusing anything, at least in regards to political ideologies in the United States and since I'm American, that is the political spectrum I'm referring to.

In America, Classical Liberals are totally different from Modern Liberals. Mises and Rothbard would spit on Obama.

Yeah, i've noticed that being in favor of bigger goverment control in USA means you're a liberal, which makes absoulutely no sense. This is how it's around here:

LEFT (liberal):

- social programs
- welfare state
- less goverment control
- fair wages
- secularism
- personal freedoms
- freedom of speech
- less police power
- decentralization of management of goods, money, influences, etc.
- direct democracy
- rule by people via referendums
- anti-lobbyist
- anti-corporationism
- pro-education and science
- ecology
- solidarity
- anti-globalism
- lower taxes
- self management of factory workers
- sindicalism

RIGHT (conservative):

- more goverment power
- centralization
- higher taxes
- anti-direct democracy
- traditionalism
- more police power
- less personal freedoms
- nationalism
- nore authoritarian relationship between employer and the employ (anti-self management)

kregnaz · 10-30-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Neville

Well, i'll speak for my country. There are a couple of nice things like complete social security, no poverty, very high education level, high standards of living and GDP per capita, very low number of crimes, direct democracy (the closest thing to anarchism you can find in the world today), personal freedoms, general happiness of the population, very liberal views towards matters of ethnicity, nationality, religion, freedom of speech, beautifuly perserved enviroment, high end infrastructure, etc.

And what made up fantasy land do you live in then? Because I guarantee its not the truth. Sweden? There are no socialist nations in Europe, so where exactly are you talking about?

Sounds like Switzerland to me /the direct democracy part) or Norway/Finland/Denmark/Germany/Austria/and basically half of Europe (cept the anarchy/ddemocracy thing)

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Originally Posted by King_Of_This_World

You have no idea what socialism is, thats obvious. Go ask the people of Eastern Europe what actual socialism leads to. Go ask people living in 1970's England what socialism was like when given free reign.

If you refer to Ussr, you obviously have no idea either about socialism

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Originally Posted by King_Of_This_World

I believe Margaret Thatcher got it right about socialism:

'The thing with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money'.

And from here on the right wing bullshit starts to get from absurd to delusional. Btw, Thatcher didn't ruin Great Britain with HER money either, republicans/conservatives/rightwings, whatever you wanna call them reeeeeeeaaaaaally love other peoples money

Evil Neville · 10-30-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kregnaz

Sounds like Switzerland to me /the direct democracy part) or Norway/Finland/Denmark/Germany/Austria/and basically half of Europe (cept the anarchy/ddemocracy thing)

Yeah, minus the direct democracy it could be Finland, Norway, Denmark, Luxembourg, Sweden, Liechtenstein, Austria, Netherland, Belgium, Iceland, Monaco or Andora.

But i'm swiss

Striketeam · 10-30-2012, 06:05 PM

Joss Whedon on Romney: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=6TiXUF9xbTo

kregnaz · 10-30-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Neville

Yeah, minus the direct democracy it could be Finland, Norway, Denmark, Luxembourg, Sweden, Liechtenstein, Austria, Netherland, Belgium, Iceland, Monaco or Andora.

But i'm swiss

Wahr irgendwie klar, grüazi Nachbar

Soooo, I'm confused, if we look at King_Of_This_World's post we can safely assume, that Switzerland is obviously supah socialist commie evil leftwingliberal bad. On the other hand, it's more or less the world's largest "bank" as well, the epicentre of financial conservativism. How does that fit together? Either a) outside of the US dualistic approach on politics there are more shades of grey in politics/socio-economics and King_of_This_World is rather King_of_his_narrow_view_on_the_World_ignoring_everything_he/she_doesn't_know_or_want_to_accept or b) King_Of_This_World is absolutely right, there are only the nice people and the socialist and we and about 90% of the world are just making things up to fool dem americans.

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