The Democrats made no move towards the middle. They pretty much stood pat and stayed true to their platform. Obama made no move towards the center, he laid everything out there. Romney moved towards the middle and that's why people wondered where he truly stood.
That's because Obama is a moderate.. How can he make a move towards the middle when he's already in the middle? As for Romney, I think it was the opposite. Four years ago, Romney was getting shit from conservatives because of being too liberal, Romneycare, etc. During the caucuses for this election cycle, Romney completely changed his tune and preached some real neo-con ideals.
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To people who are not libertarians, a libertarian candidate will not rate at all. You work under the idea that with enough pestering, you can make any (R) voting person a libertarian. It's just not true. For the Republicans to have any chance, they're going to have to get off the fringe right and come towards the middle, like the Democrats did.
Agreed. A liberarian candidate has a better shot with liberals than they do with the conservatives. I think it's virtually impossible for a libertarian to win candidacy.
Goon's list is great, but that would never happen for obvious reasons. The very foundation of the Conservative party is traditionalism, the second they start preaching social liberal ideals they lose majority of their current voting base. Plus, they'll tick off special interest groups, mega-corporations and the military industrial complex.
I can't see them changing any of their ideology by 2016. Instead, I see Rubio running with the GOP relying solely on his charisma and ethnicity.. He'll come close, but he'll lose to Hilary or Tim Kaine (hopefully).
Dig most of GOON's AGENDA here, but that Iron Triangle is nigh indestructible. Need to go to work on it with the hammer and bell of LIBERTY.
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wont it alienate their voters though?
a lot of their voters hate gays, hate drugs, want tougher stances in politics, want war to sort out their problems and more of an emphasis on a return to 'good old fashioned family values' and return to a religious america that never even really existed
Alienate the racists of the South? Maybe, but who are those fuckers going to vote for if the GOP updates for the 21st Century? They can't vote Democrat anymore. Maybe they just won't vote. We win a small victory. Oh shit, I'm suppressing votes now. I've become the monster I once despised. AHHHHHHH
A liberarian candidate has a better shot with liberals than they do with the conservatives.
I'd disagree with this, at least in terms of the two party system. The GOP at least preaches things like small government, while the Democrats are all about big government, which is in stark contrast to what Libertarians believe. Plus, the GOP is a dying party and they would be easier to "take over" than the Democrats. Libertarians have won seats in state houses, Congress, and the Senate in the GOP, and I doubt they would have that much success with the Democrats.
Granted the Democrats at least preach things like anti-war and civil liberties, but as soon as you bring up "small government" they'll tune you out.
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Trying to make things convenient for yourself I see.
Look it up yourself and his policies and you would see he's nothing close to a Republican.
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That's because Obama is a moderate.. How can he make a move towards the middle when he's already in the middle? As for Romney, I think it was the opposite. Four years ago, Romney was getting shit from conservatives because of being too liberal, Romneycare, etc. During the caucuses for this election cycle, Romney completely changed his tune and preached some real neo-con ideals.
Obama was far from moderate. He has always been a liberal and National Journal magazine had him as the most liberal Senator per his voting record.
Obama was far from moderate. He has always been a liberal and National Journal magazine had him as the most liberal Senator per his voting record.
Haha. Oh. You're one of those people who thinks moderate regulation and requiring the top tier of wealth holders to pay their own way is tantamount to Teh Communizum.
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