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Old 11-10-2012, 07:23 PM   #1551 (permalink)
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Them basically becoming Libertarians would give them the best chance to win in 2016. The GOP in their current form is all but dead. They might win on the state level and in Congress, but they will never win the Presidency again if they don't change.
To people who are not libertarians, a libertarian candidate will not rate at all. You work under the idea that with enough pestering, you can make any (R) voting person a libertarian. It's just not true. For the Republicans to have any chance, they're going to have to get off the fringe right and come towards the middle, like the Democrats did.
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To people who are not libertarians, a libertarian candidate will not rate at all. You work under the idea that with enough pestering, you can make any (R) voting person a libertarian. It's just not true. For the Republicans to have any chance, they're going to have to get off the fringe right and come towards the middle, like the Democrats did.
The Democrats made no move towards the middle. They pretty much stood pat and stayed true to their platform. Obama made no move towards the center, he laid everything out there. Romney moved towards the middle and that's why people wondered where he truly stood.

Most of the Republican platform is not fringe, it's common sense. Fiscal responsibility of our government, smaller government, more personal freedom, rolling up your sleeves and working hard for what you earn...not fringe to me.

The next generation of Republicans is about to take over, and if they can make a good case for the conservative point of view, they will eventually be back in control. The Romneys, McCains, the Chris Christies...all gone. It may not be fair to say that about Christie, but I think he's done when it comes to a national candidate. People like Rubio, Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley...all are very solid conservatives and can find ways to bring the conservative message across. Especially Rubio, he has that rock star capability and that "it" factor Obama has.

Coming to the middle doesn't work, it muddles the message. Obama's message was simple, he laid out his view of America and people went along. His vision of America was opposite of what the other side was supposed to be. He made his case, and it worked. The conservative message has to be put in that same fashion.
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GOON'S Handbook to secure a GOP victory in 2016 (and beyond).

1. Become more socially liberal. This one is p. obvious, but most Republicans believe that the message isn't the issue, but how their message is delivered. Hint: The message IS the issue, you geeks. If people want to smoke pot, let them. If someone wants to marry someone of the same sex, let them. Republicans preach small government, yet want the government to regulate things such as marriage. You can't have it both ways. Giving freedom back to the people to make their own choices on how they run their lives would get a lot of people back to the GOP who have previously left them and/or have left the Democratic Party.

2. Eliminate the Neo-Conservative "War-Hawk" mentality. It's no secret that the overwhelming majority of people hate war and in turn, won't support a war. In spite of this, the Neo-Conservatives who have hijacked the GOP continue to pound the war drums and it seems that they want to go to war with every nation that gives us the stanky eye. When the American people hear this, they will vote for the Democrats since they at least claim they're anti-war, when President Obama has been just as bad as George W. Bush. Running on a platform of peace would go a long way and it would also allow them to call out the Democrats for being frauds on their foreign policy while not coming off as hypocrites in the process.

3. Legalize Free Market Capitalism and end Corporate Welfare. Let businesses make their own choices and promote competition. A Free Market Healthcare system would have been better than Obamacare, but I digress. If a business goes under, let them go under. There is a reason most businesses go under, and that reason is that a better business has opened up that fits consumer needs better than them.

4. Respect the tenth amendment. A Gallup Poll conducted in September states that 54% of Americans believe that the government has too much power, and that number is sure to go up as this country descends deeper and deeper into oblivion. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution talks about enumerated powers, which are powers that are left up to the federal government. These powers consist of things such as providing for defense, establish a post office, and to borrow money. Nowhere does it state that the federal government has a role in things such as education and marriage. Respect state sovereignty and shrink the amount of power that the federal government has over the states.

5. Respect civil liberties. Some of this relates to point one, such as allowing homosexual s to get married and letting someone smoke a blunt or two (thus giving them LIBERTY and individual sovereignty). However, this extends past that. This would consist of eliminating bills like the PATRIOT ACT, the Indefinite Detention Clause in the NDAA, abolishing the TSA, and not allowing drones in the sky over American airspace. All of these things are extremely unpopular, and vowing to get rid all of them and restore civil liberties is something that most people get behind.

Tl;dr: Run under the slogan of "Peace, Liberty, and Prosperity" and you have a chance to put a dent into the Progressives. If they don't, I hope they enjoy being the WHIG Party 2.0.

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Well said, brother GOON. Agreed on all counts.
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wont it alienate their voters though?

a lot of their voters hate gays, hate drugs, want tougher stances in politics, want war to sort out their problems and more of an emphasis on a return to 'good old fashioned family values' and return to a religious america that never even really existed
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GOON'S Handbook to secure a GOP victory in 2016 (and beyond).

1. Become more socially liberal. This one is p. obvious, but most Republicans believe that the message isn't the issue, but how their message is delivered. Hint: The message IS the issue, you geeks. If people want to smoke pot, let them. If someone wants to marry someone of the same sex, let them. Republicans preach small government, yet want the government to regulate things such as marriage. You can't have it both ways. Giving freedom back to the people to make their own choices on how they run their lives would get a lot of people back to the GOP who have previously left them and/or have left the Democratic Party.

2. Eliminate the Neo-Conservative "War-Hawk" mentality. It's no secret that the overwhelming majority of people hate war and in turn, won't support a war. In spite of this, the Neo-Conservatives who have hijacked the GOP continue to pound the war drums and it seems that they want to go to war with every nation that gives us the stanky eye. When the American people hear this, they will vote for the Democrats since they at least claim they're anti-war, when President Obama has been just as bad as George W. Bush. Running on a platform of peace would go a long way and it would also allow them to call out the Democrats for being frauds on their foreign policy while not coming off as hypocrites in the process.

3. Legalize Free Market Capitalism and end Corporate Welfare. Let businesses make their own choices and promote competition. A Free Market Healthcare system would have been better than Obamacare, but I digress. If a business goes under, let them go under. There is a reason most businesses go under, and that reason is that a better business has opened up that fits consumer needs better than them.

4. Respect the tenth amendment. A Gallup Poll conducted in September states that 54% of Americans believe that the government has too much power, and that number is sure to go up as this country descends deeper and deeper into oblivion. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution talks about enumerated powers, which are powers that are left up to the federal government. These powers consist of things such as providing for defense, establish a post office, and to borrow money. Nowhere does it state that the federal government has a role in things such as education and marriage. Respect state sovereignty and shrink the amount of power that the federal government has over the states.

5. Respect civil liberties. Some of this relates to point one, such as allowing homosexual s to get married and letting someone smoke a blunt or two (thus giving them LIBERTY and individual sovereignty). However, this extends past that. This would consist of eliminating bills like the PATRIOT ACT, the Indefinite Detention Clause in the NDAA, abolishing the TSA, and not allowing drones in the sky over American airspace. All of these things are extremely unpopular, and vowing to get rid all of them and restore civil liberties is something that most people get behind.

Tl;dr: Run under the slogan of "Peace, Liberty, and Prosperity" and you have a chance to put a dent into the Progressives. If they don't, I hope they enjoy being the WHIG Party 2.0.

I agree with most of what you say.

One thing I would say is that we need a strong military. No, we don't have to declare war on every nation that looks at us funny, but I want to be strong enough that most countries will think twice before messing with us. Like Theodore Roosevelt said, "Speak softly, but carry a big stick."
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yeah america is really in danger of being invaded any day now by those north koreans

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wont it alienate their voters though?

a lot of their voters hate gays, hate drugs, want tougher stances in politics, want war to sort out their problems and more of an emphasis on a return to 'good old fashioned family values' and return to a religious america that never even really existed
It would alienate the evangelical Christians to an extent, but in turn it would bring in moderate Democrats, Libertarians, Independents, and young people who don't really have a political affiliation yet. The young people are the ones who would be most affected by America's desastrous foreign policy, as they would be the ones drafted it it ever came to that. Because of this, they would vote for the "peace" candidate, which wouldn't be a Democrat despite popular belief.

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I agree with most of what you say.

One thing I would say is that we need a strong military. No, we don't have to declare war on every nation that looks at us funny, but I want to be strong enough that most countries will think twice before messing with us. Like Theodore Roosevelt said, "Speak softly, but carry a big stick."
Yeah, that is my thinking basically. Basically, we shouldn't go out picking fights like we seem to be doing right now.
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GOON'S Handbook to secure a GOP victory in 2016 (and beyond).

1. Become more socially liberal. This one is p. obvious, but most Republicans believe that the message isn't the issue, but how their message is delivered. Hint: The message IS the issue, you geeks. If people want to smoke pot, let them. If someone wants to marry someone of the same sex, let them. Republicans preach small government, yet want the government to regulate things such as marriage. You can't have it both ways. Giving freedom back to the people to make their own choices on how they run their lives would get a lot of people back to the GOP who have previously left them and/or have left the Democratic Party.

2. Eliminate the Neo-Conservative "War-Hawk" mentality. It's no secret that the overwhelming majority of people hate war and in turn, won't support a war. In spite of this, the Neo-Conservatives who have hijacked the GOP continue to pound the war drums and it seems that they want to go to war with every nation that gives us the stanky eye. When the American people hear this, they will vote for the Democrats since they at least claim they're anti-war, when President Obama has been just as bad as George W. Bush. Running on a platform of peace would go a long way and it would also allow them to call out the Democrats for being frauds on their foreign policy while not coming off as hypocrites in the process.

3. Legalize Free Market Capitalism and end Corporate Welfare. Let businesses make their own choices and promote competition. A Free Market Healthcare system would have been better than Obamacare, but I digress. If a business goes under, let them go under. There is a reason most businesses go under, and that reason is that a better business has opened up that fits consumer needs better than them.

4. Respect the tenth amendment. A Gallup Poll conducted in September states that 54% of Americans believe that the government has too much power, and that number is sure to go up as this country descends deeper and deeper into oblivion. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution talks about enumerated powers, which are powers that are left up to the federal government. These powers consist of things such as providing for defense, establish a post office, and to borrow money. Nowhere does it state that the federal government has a role in things such as education and marriage. Respect state sovereignty and shrink the amount of power that the federal government has over the states.

5. Respect civil liberties. Some of this relates to point one, such as allowing homosexual s to get married and letting someone smoke a blunt or two (thus giving them LIBERTY and individual sovereignty). However, this extends past that. This would consist of eliminating bills like the PATRIOT ACT, the Indefinite Detention Clause in the NDAA, abolishing the TSA, and not allowing drones in the sky over American airspace. All of these things are extremely unpopular, and vowing to get rid all of them and restore civil liberties is something that most people get behind.

Tl;dr: Run under the slogan of "Peace, Liberty, and Prosperity" and you have a chance to put a dent into the Progressives. If they don't, I hope they enjoy being the WHIG Party 2.0.

All well and good but alot of those unpopular ideas are heavily invested by those who will do anything to keep it from being change/eliminated. It would be promoted as "too radical" and the majority of Americans would agree. Not because they know better, but simply because they are misinformed. I fear that in order to reach this goal you present can only result if a MAJOR catastrophic event takes place that would reset the system.
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the military industrial complex wouldnt be too happy wouldnt be too happy on this scaling back of defence spending
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