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View Poll Results: who you voteing for Obama (D) , Romney (R) or Other

Obama (D) 224 63.46%
Romney (R) 62 17.56%
Other 67 18.98%
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:06 AM   #1341 (permalink)
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I do not see a problem with this. If someone wants to move because a state isn't providing them with what they want, they're allowed to move. Free will, ya know?
So do those same states have a right to complain when their economy suffers because a lot of their money is moving to more socially progressive states?
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:06 AM   #1342 (permalink)
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I disagree on that. States like Virginia, Ohio, Florida, New Hampshire, Iowa, and Colorado are all pretty mixed on the their political affiliation, as they usually tend to be pretty close each election and aren't committed to one party like states such as Texas, California, and New York. The Libertarian vote was the difference in most of those states, as evident by the numbers I posted. They either A) Didn't vote, B) Voted for a third party, C) Voted for Obama out of spite for how Romney treated Paul, or D) Wrote in Ron Paul or someone else to stick it to the two party system. I highly doubt any real Libertarian voted for Romney in this election after how the GOP Convention was conducted.

The problem in Washington is that both parties are going so far to their side of the political spectrum that it is impossible for either side to work with the other even if they wanted to. The far right won't work with the far left and vice versa, as they would never come to a compromise. Even if someone does decide to work with the other side, they have to worry about their own elections and the opposing candidates will paint them as either "Not a true Conservative" or "Not a true Progressive" and they will lose in their parties' primary.

The political system in America is beyond screwed at the moment, so I don't get why people are getting so excited about the potential of Obama accomplishing anything. The only time he really got something done was when he had the majority in both the House AND the Senate, and the Democrats won't have the majority in the House until at least 2016 barring a huge shift in 2014. Unless he abuses the hell out of Executive Orders, he isn't going to accomplish much. Partisan Gridlock in Washington will be the story of Obama's second term imo.

EDIT- Paul Ryan was influenced by the right people at least, as he apparently is a big fan of the works of people like Ludwig Von Misses and FA Hayek, the same people who influenced Ron Paul. Damn shame his policies are almost the exact opposite of what those men wrote about. I'd say that there is a slight chance he wakes up to what is going on, but he seems to be a victim of the political machine.
Or maybe they just voted for Obama because they don't like right wing wackos who associate themselves with gun wackos, born again wackos and rich corporate wackos. You do know those people could be left wing, right? You don't seem too bad but don't fall for Paul Ryan, he is just bullshitting people...just like how he said he liked Rage Against The Machine, how the fuck would he not know the message from De La Rocha and co? Lol!

I hope things go well for Obama but the Tea Party nutters will try everything to block off Obama. Obama has done well considering the mess he has had to put up with from Bush and co.

It's going to be a bit before everything is cleaned up or somewhat minimized and then fixed up later on..I'm 110% behind Obama.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:13 AM   #1343 (permalink)
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I don't think you get it. Liberal states will band together and become like socialist Europe while conservative states will regress and become like iran. It would be a mess and destroy the union.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:17 AM   #1344 (permalink)
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California and new york are already exteremely liberal states that are basically like Europe anyways. huge driving economies with their own rules and policies that might as well be their own countries due to their sheer influence

Majority of states shift between lib and con as can be seen over the elections, dont see how it changes everything too much
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:20 AM   #1345 (permalink)
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So do those same states have a right to complain when their economy suffers because a lot of their money is moving to more socially progressive states?
Nope, because they made the choice to stay behind and they would suffer the consequences. Thing is, it would probably never come to that because the Governor's of those states would realize that they're losing people to other states, and change things to make it more appealing so the people who live there don't leave.

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Or maybe they just voted for Obama because they don't like right wing wackos who associate themselves with gun wackos, born again wackos and rich corporate wackos. You do know those people could be left wing, right? You don't seem too bad but don't fall for Paul Ryan, he is just bullshitting people...just like how he said he liked Rage Against The Machine, how the fuck would he not know the message from De La Rocha and co? Lol!

I hope things go well for Obama but the Tea Party nutters will try everything to block off Obama. Obama has done well considering the mess he has had to put up with from Bush and co.

It's going to be a bit before everything is cleaned up or somewhat minimized and then fixed up later on..I'm 110% behind Obama.
When you mention the people who "could be left wing", are you talking about the people who voted for Ron Paul in the primaries, or Libertarians in general? If so, then those two are one in the same. Libertarians disliked Obama, and probably would have voted for Romney if push came to shove, although that was thrown out of the window after the GOP Convention. Outside of just spite, I doubt any Libertarian would have voted for Obama in the election, as he is against nearly (if not) everything they believe.

I saw a clip a couple of years ago and it was from a 2008 Presidential Debate. Paul was talking about something (think it was foreign policy) and Romney quipped in by saying that he's been "reading too much of Ahmadinejad's press releases" or whatever. Paul come back by saying "Yeah, make fun buddy" or something along those lines. Funny how the joke seems to be on Romney now for treating Paul like dirt.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:21 AM   #1346 (permalink)
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If RP was elected and states rights prevail are they allowed to leave the union when they want?
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:22 AM   #1347 (permalink)
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I voted for Gary Johnson yesterday.

The problem is the two-party dictatorship.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:26 AM   #1348 (permalink)
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Yes, but they would never do it, as the federal government still has enough power delegated to them by the Constitution that is good for the states. Problem is that the federal government, by getting involved in marriage, drug usage, and other issues is complete overreach. Read the tenth amendment.

You're taking the argument to the extreme, as a state would NEVER secede unless they were all to do it in unison like the South did during the Civil War and even then that would never happen again. Like Redead said, only about two states even have the capability of surviving on their own.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:30 AM   #1349 (permalink)
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I know I am taking the argument to the extreme. I'm just asking is it possible. It's scary to think about.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:32 AM   #1350 (permalink)
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I voted for Gary Johnson yesterday.

The problem is the two-party dictatorship.
It would be nice if the GOP split in two and become the libertarian party and conservative party with both being big players.
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