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Stupid, ignorant parents who think their daughter is God's gift and couldn't possibly be pregnant and the daughter is just as much of an imbecile as her parents.

This sickens me to the core and I've seen some fucked up shit. Unbelievable. I couldn't imagine the scene and how you don't notice A FUCKING BABY in your 14 year old daughters stomach for 9 months and then don't even realize she's giving fucking birth in the bath is even more ludicrous.

Charge her as an adult. You can't be that fucking immature and stupid at 14.
While I agree with you, I think that you severely underestimate how stupid and immature people, especially girls, can be at 14.

What really needs to be in question here is what would give a 14 year old the thought to have sex PERIOD, much more to have sex without a condom? Has there been any investigation as how she got pregnant in the first place? Has the possibility of rape been ruled out? I'm not making excuses for the girl and I'm as right wing as they come, but more investigation needs to be done here.
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Yeah, except we're not talking about some dumb kid 'borrowing' their parents' car and wrecking it. We're talking about a girl who murdered her own child moments after giving birth to it.
Desperate circumstances lead to desperate actions, this has been proven time and time again, the human mind works to protect you in every way possible. Obviously she needs to be punished otherwise she will grow up not knowing what is right and what is wrong. She shouldn't be tried as an adult however because she ain't an adult, if she was tried as an adult then she would emerge from prison years later a much worse person no doubt because that is what most prison systems do to people.

Let me just clarify that absolutely nobody on this forum or in the world has the right to cast judgement of death on this fourteen year old girl.
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No I'm just making sense out of the situation, she has done something very wrong and she should be punished severely however I don't think anybody else here has been in the same situation as her therefore we don't know what we would've done.

Killing or maiming her in any way certainly isn't an option.
I WOULD know what I would do: seek help. Even if the parents would disown her or outcast her it's irrelevant. You tell someone and you WILL get help ESPECIALLY as a 14 year old girl. Tell a teacher, a friend's parent, a stranger on the street even. You could even walk into the hospital and ask someone for help because at the core, most of us are understanding, rational individuals and if faced with something like this we would most definitely ensure the girl's well being.

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I wouldn't call it sympathy. I'd call it empathy. No action is without motivation, and most motivations, while flawed, have a variety of logic behind them.

And I have a problem with people throwing stones. It's easy to point out the mistakes of others and forget your own.
I will absolutely throw stones. There is not a single circumstance under which this is okay.

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While I agree with you, I think that you severely underestimate how stupid and immature people, especially girls, can be at 14.
No, trust me, I don't. I have experience in this department and I know how some 14 year old girls operate FTMP.

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What really needs to be in question here is what would give a 14 year old the thought to have sex PERIOD, much more to have sex without a condom? Has there been any investigation as how she got pregnant in the first place? Has the possibility of rape been ruled out? I'm not making excuses for the girl and I'm as right wing as they come, but more investigation needs to be done here.
The search for approval, hormones, insecurity, etc. Girls today "grow up" at a much faster rate and virginities are being lost at a younger and younger age. I just graduated high school last year and I know what goes on. There was a large number of freshmen and sophomores who had lost their virginity and still some with active sex lives. The girl likely had consensual sex though rape would make a lot of sense here as it would make sense as to why she was so fucked up in the head.

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I will steal this quote with your permission, kudos to you sir.
Good to see there is still people interested in the "why" other than the "how".
the fuck? You want to know why someone killed a newborn baby. There is no logic for that crime. Absolutely none at all. If it was someone who stabbed someone to mug them to feed their family etc then you can see the twisted logic. Doesn;t make it okay but yes, the why is a factor in the story. There is absolutely no excuse for hiing your pregnancy then brutally murdering the baby.

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Has the possibility of rape been ruled out? I'm not making excuses for the girl and I'm as right wing as they come, but more investigation needs to be done here.
How does rape have any influence on this whatsoever? It has nothing to do with anything.

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No I'm just making sense out of the situation, she has done something very wrong and she should be punished severely however I don't think anybody else here has been in the same situation as her therefore we don't know what we would've done.

Killing or maiming her in any way certainly isn't an option.


The amount of stupidity in this thread is astounding. Truly remarkable.


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That's horrible. How can someone do that? Killing a new born baby? Wtf? There are so many evil people nowadays. What is the world turning into?

I hope she charged as an adult. That bitch needs to be punished severely.





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No, trust me, I don't. I have experience in this department and I know how some 14 year old girls operate FTMP.
Oh, really? You have experience in this department and just graduated high school.

Here's a newsflash: I graduated high school, too. It didn't give me any sort of insight into the immaturity of teenagers because, well, I was one, too. In the immortal words of Jim Mora: "You think you know, but you just don't know."

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The search for approval, hormones, insecurity, etc. Girls today "grow up" at a much faster rate and virginities are being lost at a younger and younger age. I just graduated high school last year and I know what goes on. There was a large number of freshmen and sophomores who had lost their virginity and still some with active sex lives. The girl likely had consensual sex though rape would make a lot of sense here as it would make sense as to why she was so fucked up in the head.
Then there are a lot more underlying tones here than we think there are.

Consensual sex through rape?

Uh, what?

Surely you're not trying to say that she gave a male who was a minimum of 4 years older than her consent to have sex with her and you classify that as "okay"? That's rape. Period. The age of consent in Florida is 18. Fucking 18. We might be looking at a girl who was raped at 13 years old here. A 13 or 14 year old child cannot consent to sex with someone older than 17 in Florida. Simply cannot do it.

If the dude is less than 18 or not a family member that she gave consent to, well, she's just fucked up. There are consequences for having sex.

And for the record, I don't think a 17 year old or 16 year old, who tends to be in the latter stages of puberty, needs to be sleeping with a 13 year old who's just starting it, anyway. I'm in no way giving approval of some 17 year old impregnating a 13 year old.

But the law permits that.

It's really no different than a late term abortion, though. Why aren't you out there protesting that?

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How does rape have any influence on this whatsoever? It has nothing to do with anything.
And you talk about stupidity?

How does rape have nothing to do with it? That's a severely traumatic event. What if she was raped by a family member and was trying to keep it a secret? The girl was so fucking scared to tell her parents that she bit down on a towel and ran water to give birth with no medication in the toilet. Think about that. A 13 year old girl taking such primitive measures to "cover" this up. There are fully developed women who cannot give birth without medication.

All I'm saying is that there has to be a lot more to this story. Don't go crucifying the girl just yet.

EDIT: If anyone needs to be charged here, it's the parents. It boggles the mind how a 14 year old child can undergo 9 months of pregnancy unnoticed. Like, really?

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I WOULD know what I would do: seek help. Even if the parents would disown her or outcast her it's irrelevant. You tell someone and you WILL get help ESPECIALLY as a 14 year old girl. Tell a teacher, a friend's parent, a stranger on the street even. You could even walk into the hospital and ask someone for help because at the core, most of us are understanding, rational individuals and if faced with something like this we would most definitely ensure the girl's well being.
Yeh that's what you like to think, as a matter of fact you have no idea what you're capable of.


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It's just the truth really, unless there is something you want to tell me about.
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And you talk about stupidity?

How does rape have nothing to do with it? That's a severely traumatic event. What if she was raped by a family member and was trying to keep it a secret? The girl was so fucking scared to tell her parents that she bit down on a towel and ran water to give birth with no medication in the toilet. Think about that. A 13 year old girl taking such primitive measures to "cover" this up. There are fully developed women who cannot give birth without medication.

All I'm saying is that there has to be a lot more to this story. Don't go crucifying the girl just yet.

EDIT: If anyone needs to be charged here, it's the parents. It boggles the mind how a 14 year old child can undergo 9 months of pregnancy unnoticed. Like, really?
I'm not arguing that rape isn't a traumatic event. I am fully aware that a great deal of rapes go unreported, and especially so if its by a family member. However, at the age of 14 she a) didn't tell anyone, b) took great lengths to cover up the fact she was pregnant whilst she was pregnant, and during labour, then c) brutally murdered her baby and tried to hide the body. Even if she was raped this involves a certain level of prior thinking and planning. Potentially being raped does not excuse her actions. They are truly horrific.

ftr she is being tried as an adult and apprently the baby's father is a juvenile.

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It's just the truth really, unless there is something you want to tell me about.
Basically what you're saying is that you condone murder



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I'm not arguing that rape isn't a traumatic event. I am fully aware that a great deal of rapes go unreported, and especially so if its by a family member.
Okay, but IF she was raped, don't go acting like it doesn't deserve a little bit of leniency. At 14, with her mother still washing her clothes and cleaning her room, she likely didn't know the first fucking thing about motherhood. Also, she apparently lived in a trailer park and not to stereotype, but likely didn't have the best...uh...sources of information about what she could possibly do.

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However, at the age of 14 she a) didn't tell anyone, b) took great lengths to cover up the fact she was pregnant whilst she was pregnant, and during labour, then c) brutally murdered her baby and tried to hide the body.
Not telling anyone isn't a sign of anything except embarrassment, being ashamed, or fear. If you think wearing baggy clothes and putting water on a pregnancy test is "great lengths" to cover up a full term pregnancy, then I'd hate to hear your opinion on the real complicated things in life. The parents are at fault here just as much as she is.

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Even if she was raped this involves a certain level of prior thinking and planning. Potentially being raped does not excuse her actions. They are truly horrific.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, these go back to why the fuck was she so scared to put it out there in the first place?

"She didn't want her relationship with her parents to change."

That is child like thinking, which is to be expected out of a 14 year old not a mature adult.

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ftr she is being tried as an adult and apprently the baby's father is a juvenile.
14 years old is a country mile away from clear headed adult thinking. I don't think it will stick. And if the father is a juvenile, it doesn't rule out the possibility of a forced sexual encounter a.k.a rape.
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