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Good question. I'm not sure. He was on 60 Minutes a few weeks ago so it has to be coming out soon. Also FOX is awful for outing his real name.

Yep it's out.

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You don't question the reasoning for not showing the American people the proof? Not even a little bit?

A government who releases shit like this, this, and this is scared of reprisal attacks?

A President who openly confirms a kill list, a black operation, and a covert special warfare team is to be questioned on matters like these when he says one thing and does another.
I personally accept that the burden of proof is on the argument's proponent and most people I have seen who say Osama bin Laden wasn't killed during the raid are making arguments from ignorance, which isn't a good argument. The reasons why I am against a lot of what the government does is either a) It is against my personal beliefs, or b) There is actually evidence that the government is lying.

Now if you want to talk about 9/11 having been known by the government, then are tons of reports already with the most common one being that the government didn't take the threats seriously, so really that isn't questionable.

If you want to say the government knew where Osama bin Laden was a lot of times, I would have a lot less problems with that argument than those who argue he was already dead/is still alive.

Also I don't see a motive, which is another problem. People saying Libya needed covered up, how would that be if it was common knowledge what was going on in Libya. People saying Obama needed votes, it would of been better for him to have done it around now instead then, not last year.

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So is that SEAL that wrote a memoir about the assassination of bin Laden a LIAR too? Is he some govt construct?
No one is doubting that a raid happened. I mean, shit, they detonated a supposed secret helicopter from SOAR on sight. What is debatable here is that Bin Laden was killed during said raid. Do not doubt the money making power of an, "I was there" account by a military member on a high profile black operation, SEAL or not.

What brings about debate here is that the DoD actually threatened prosecution for release of said book, all the while the President is authorizing the release of most details to anyone who is willing to listen. It's just weird.
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So is that SEAL that wrote a memoir about the assassination of bin Laden a LIAR too? Is he some govt construct?
Yes, he's a liar. The book was probably written for him. It's just lies on top of lies to reinforce the idea that they killed him.

Good lord, that book is #1 on the NYTimes bestsellers list, americans are f'n stupid.

He died in '01, it was widely reported and his will was also posted. They began creating fake videos to keep up the charade.


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I personally accept that the burden of proof is on the argument's proponent and most people I have seen who say Osama bin Laden wasn't killed during the raid are making arguments from ignorance, which isn't a good argument.
What is so ignorant about wanting to see proof?

The exact reason given was that the photos may spark reprisals from insurgents. What about the military releasing videos of the bombing of Al-Zarqawi? What about the bloodied up photos of the deceased sons of Hussein? The slaughter of suspected terrorists by an AC-130 gunship or predator drone that turned out to be innocent, unarmed civilians?

How is a photo of a dead Bin Laden any worse? Because he was a leader?

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The reasons why I am against a lot of what the government does is either a) It is against my personal beliefs, or b) There is actually evidence that the government is lying.
While you are correct in insinuating that there is no proof that the government is lying here, there is also no reason to believe that they are giving us the truth in its entirety. We're so open book about releasing details of attempts at freeing reporters and aid workers from Taliban captivity, what with details about Rangers and SEALS air-assaulting to the bottom of a mountain and working their way up to secure overwatch positions and fire bases with sound suppressed snipers firing from helicopters like was the case in the Linda Norgrove raid, why not this? Why not Bin Laden?

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Now if you want to talk about 9/11 having been known by the government, then are tons of reports already with the most common one being that the government didn't take the threats seriously, so really that isn't questionable.
I didn't say anything about 9/11.

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If you want to say the government knew where Osama bin Laden was a lot of times, I would have a lot less problems with that argument than those who argue he was already dead/is still alive.
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Also I don't see a motive, which is another problem. People saying Libya needed covered up, how would that be if it was common knowledge what was going on in Libya. People saying Obama needed votes, it would of been better for him to have done it around now instead then, not last year.
I think that they knew where he was...6 feet under somewhere like he has been since his death from Marfan Syndrome 11 years ago.

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Most conspiracy theories are retarded as hell.

"Something just had to go wrong! EVERYTHING the government tells us is a lie!"

I dont know what to think about Osama being dead as I haven't really looked into it.

But the 9/11 conspiracy theories can fuck off.

You know whats even worse than believing anything the government tells you?

Believing anything the internet tells you?

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What is so ignorant about wanting to see proof?
An argument from ignorance is a logical fallacy which says:

There is no evidence for X, therefore X is not true.
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There is no evidence against X, therefore X is true.

Most people I know who doubt it fall into the first version where they say "There is no evidence he was killed during the raid, therefore he wasn't killed during the raid."

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The backstory is still devoid of any type of proof whatsoever. Government officials have a well known and documented history of lying about high profile incidents like this. If you believe that Obama showing his face on national television saying in effect, "Bin Laden is dead. Trust me.", then that is your right to do so.

What we are discussing in this thread is the fact that the government, full of hypocrisies and lies, contradicts itself when matters like this are brought up. The backstory is what media outlets were told, and you can be sure that it is not 100% factual.
Devoid of proof yet you lack evidence to the contrary. Your only evidence is a statement that can only be taken on face value. Considering I don't know you and have never discussed this topic with you, your post reads as a desperate attempt to condescend me. Why?
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Most conspiracy theories are retarded as hell.

"Something just had to go wrong! EVERYTHING the government tells us is a lie!"

I dont know what to think about Osama being dead as I haven't really looked into it.

But the 9/11 conspiracy theories can fuck off.

You know whats even worse than believing anything the government tells you?

Believing anything the internet tells you?

And why the hell would people hide messages on the dollar bill? For fun?
I think you guys really need to wake up. People who managed to escape the building are telling you that bombs were going off in the basement before the planes even hit, that's pretty much a smoking gun.


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I think you guys really need to wake up. People who managed to escape the building are telling you that bombs were going off in the basement before the planes even hit, that's pretty much a smoking gun.

There are many sounds that could be mistaken as an explosion, such as a building collapsing in on itself. These people aren't bomb experts. Plus people tend to exaggerate things in times of extreme stress.
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