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Old 09-28-2012, 10:59 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Gender crossing is essentially creating a new gender. If you're a woman that identifies as a male, you're still a biological woman, which is why I said that putting labels on anything other than the big three is just nonsense.

I addressed the issue of abnormal sex practices, saying that urges can be satisfied in natural or immoral ways.

I'm quick to "demonize" homosexuality because I believe that it is wrong, gross and detrimental to the continuation of the human race.

The homosexual agenda is the idea that homosexuality is something that should be accepted, and that homosexuals are on the same moral and functional level as heterosexuals.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:09 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Gender crossing is essentially creating a new gender. If you're a woman that identifies as a male, you're still a biological woman, which is why I said that putting labels on anything other than the big three is just nonsense.

I addressed the issue of abnormal sex practices, saying that urges can be satisfied in natural or immoral ways.

I'm quick to "demonize" homosexuality because I believe that it is wrong, gross and detrimental to the continuation of the human race.

The homosexual agenda is the idea that homosexuality is something that should be accepted, and that homosexuals are on the same moral and functional level as heterosexuals.
How can you label what they are doing as homosexual if the concept "homosexual" did not exist at that time? Allegedly abnormal/unnatural sexual practices can be satisfied through normal/natural means? That's quite contradictory. If they can be satisfied by normal/natural means could it not be possible that they are not inherently unnatural/abnormal?

Homosexuality thus far has not been detrimental to the continuation of the human race as we continue to experience exponential growth in our species, something that is proven to be detrimental.

The homosexual agenda applies the concept of "homosexual", something that I have repeatedly stated as being relatively new. Why shouldn't homosexuality be accepted? Because of your own personal prejudices? Could I take the same stand on heterosexuality and expect people to buy into that ideal?
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:18 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Heterosexuality is something that has been accepted since the beginning of time. Homosexuality is a much newer concept. I am not the only person in the world that doesn't like gays, there are plenty of people that won't stand for it, evidenced by homosexual marriage being illegal in the majority of the US. Heterosexuality is already accepted, so I doubt an anti-hetero movement would have very many supporters.

In speaking of abnormal sex practices, the practices themselves are abnormal, not the way in which you go about performing them. I guess a better word would have been alternative, as opposed to abnormal.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:30 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Heterosexuality is something that has been accepted since the beginning of time. Homosexuality is a much newer concept. I am not the only person in the world that doesn't like gays, there are plenty of people that won't stand for it, evidenced by homosexual marriage being illegal in the majority of the US. Heterosexuality is already accepted, so I doubt an anti-hetero movement would have very many supporters.

In speaking of abnormal sex practices, the practices themselves are abnormal, not the way in which you go about performing them. I guess a better word would have been alternative, as opposed to abnormal.
Since the beginning of time? That's too broad of a statement. When exactly did time begin?

I'm asking about cultures where homosexuality or, more accurately, homosexual behavior (because the concept of homosexuality is new) was accepted and practiced such as gender-crossing of the Native Americans or the same-sex relationships between men in ancient Greece. Those are just two examples that were practiced and socially accepted. Evidently heterosexuality has been accepted, but it obviously is not solely for the purpose of continuation of species. Why deny the possibilities of different sexualities when they exist? You say that there is no definitive right sexuality yet you condemn or dismiss anything other than heterosexuality.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:39 PM   #65 (permalink)
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I'm not sure how I can put this in simpler terms. There is no such thing as right or wrong when talking about opinions. There is no right or wrong sexuality in a factual sense. That sexualities other than heterosexuality are "wrong" is my opinion, not a fact.

Homosexuality is not accepted like heterosexuality is, pseudo-homosexual activities that were accepted centuries ago are not the same thing as modern homosexuality.

As far as the beginning of time, I was using that as a figure of speech. Heterosexuality has obviously been accepted for as long as humans have been around or else there would be no humans to speak of.

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Old 09-28-2012, 11:53 PM   #66 (permalink)
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I'm not sure how I can put this in simpler terms. There is no such thing as right or wrong when talking about opinions. There is no right or wrong sexuality in a factual sense. That sexualities other than heterosexuality are "wrong" is my opinion, not a fact.

Homosexuality is not accepted like heterosexuality is, pseudo-homosexual activities that were accepted centuries ago are not the same thing as modern homosexuality.

As far as the beginning of time, I was using that as a figure of speech. Heterosexuality has obviously been accepted for as long as humans have been around or else there would be no humans to speak of.
You posit your opinion as fact, which it isn't. You can't fully explain why homosexuality is wrong? It's gross? There are plenty of things that are gross that are not wrong considering gross is an incredibly subjective adjective. It doesn't contribute to the continuation of our species? Neither does the use of birth control or non-reproductive sexual activities. Immoral? Define immoral and moral. Who gets to decide what is moral and what is not?

You can't use pseudo-homosexual in describing those activities because homosexuality was not a concept.

Who are you to deny other people of their humanity and personhood? That is what you are doing. Bigotry is bigotry, which is wrong. It's been socially established that bigotry is wrong, at least in our society.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:11 AM   #67 (permalink)
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I'm not sure how I'm making my opinions out to be facts, considering I've posted several times now that I am responding to this thread with my opinions.

A male and a male or a female and a female in a relationship is homosexual, similar practices would be the same basic concept. I've never heard anybody refer to an older television as a "non-HD non-flatscreen dial television" just because there is superior technology out now. You can paint a pig blue, but it is still a pig.

I've never said that nobody should be gay. That is their choice, not mine. I've simply said that I think it's disgusting, immoral* and doesn't further the continuation of our species.

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Old 09-29-2012, 12:26 AM   #68 (permalink)
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I'm not sure how I'm making my opinions out to be facts, considering I've posted several times now that I am responding to this thread with my opinions.

A male and a male or a female and a female in a relationship is homosexual, similar practices would be the same basic concept. I've never heard anybody refer to an older television as a "non-HD non-flatscreen dial television" just because there is superior technology out now. You can paint a pig blue, but it is still a pig.

I've never said that nobody should be gay. That is their choice, not mine. I've simply said that I think it's disgusting, immoral* and doesn't further the continuation of our species.

*my opinion
The entire second paragraph is wrong. You can't apply a concept like homosexuality to practices held in a time where homosexual did not exist as a distinct concept, it doesn't work.

You don't say they shouldn't, but you definitely imply it. You offer no explanations as to why it is wrong other than it does not further the continuation of our species, an argument which I have blown out of the water.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:34 AM   #69 (permalink)
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I don't see how you've blown that out of the water. If some sort of doomsday scenario/superbug outbreak were to occur and wipe out the majority of the population, the gays wouldn't be able to help repopulate. Then again, they could just choose to be straight, which I assume they would if survival is on the line.

If homosexuality and other same-sex relationships can't be equated, why did you bring them up in the first place?

I don't like gays, if it were up to me, homosexuality would not exist. However, it is not up to me, and therefore I believe that people should be what they want to be. That doesn't mean that I would want myself or my family to associate with them.
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Now you might have some crazy fucks trying to "rape the gay out" of her for kicks. Thanks asshole. Your intolerant and bigoted views could potentially get your daughter harassed at the very least.

Warren, take your homophobic views somewhere else.
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