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Old 09-27-2012, 09:09 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Unless Iran attacks US soil, then the US woulden't be able to get involved even if the goverment wanted to. The debt is a big issue for the election, and the public are already tired of the endless wars against the Middle East. If Obama tried to interject, we would have another Vietnam War. The public would defy it to no end.
They don't have the capability to attack over here but that's not the worry, the worry is that Iran would attack our many military bases in the Middle East which are considered U.S. soil. Even if Israel didn't ask the U.S. to help, you can be damn sure that they still would be, just not officially.

To your second point, yes the debt is a big issue but when it comes to war the public doesn't care. It also would depend on what our mission is. If it's like the first Gulf War were we just went to kick Saddam out of Kuwait or like the recent Libya conflict then it would be far less expensive and the public really wouldn't care then but if we have to engage in yet another nation build, that will be a hard sell.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:09 AM   #22 (permalink)
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That's weird, because I could've sworn the United States wrote off a shitload of weapons that were exported to Israel under the DoD funded Excess Defense Articles program, while the government itself maintains a stockpile of weaponry in Israel that is still considered the property of the United States.
I dont deny that they recieved some but what I was trying to say before is all the funding that they got from America and are getting isn't all going to weaponry, also to other things.
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The media is never going to get everything right, as it's largely a sensationalist occupation, anyway. While they might not take everything that the Muslims do and report it, they sure do a damn good job of reporting on stupid shit like Arabs getting pissed off at a video. Where is the heavy, overbearing media reporting on the Israeli lobbyist video in the OP?
That is why I dont trust or listen to the media anywhere, the media chops up a story and presents what it feels is best for its' own liking. They never produce the truth or the whole story, on either ends.

Just for the record, I dont think Israel is always right in fact they make a lot of mistakes but what I cannot stand is I see things with my own two eyes daily over here while serving and living in Israel that doesn't get a peep on the internet or the news, while I come on sites and everything is the opposite. One of the things that drives me crazy, because than I can't try to reason with people or explain to people otherwise, brainwashed with what is on the media.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:27 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I dont deny that they recieved some but what I was trying to say before is all the funding that they got from America and are getting isn't all going to weaponry, also to other things.
Oh, I know for sure all the funding Israel gets from America doesn't go towards weaponry. I never brought up Israel's total aid from the United States, just their defense funding. A vast portion of funding the US gives to Israel in foreign aid annually is earmarked for defense. An extremely well written and insightful article on this subject is available through the Congressional Research Service, although I have linked it for you below. The summary alone is eye opening and insightful.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

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That is why I dont trust or listen to the media anywhere, the media chops up a story and presents what it feels is best for its' own liking. They never produce the truth or the whole story, on either ends.

Just for the record, I dont think Israel is always right in fact they make a lot of mistakes but what I cannot stand is I see things with my own two eyes daily over here while serving and living in Israel that doesn't get a peep on the internet or the news, while I come on sites and everything is the opposite. One of the things that drives me crazy, because than I can't try to reason with people or explain to people otherwise, brainwashed with what is on the media.
The media is the enemy, as every mainstream source I can think of subliminally aligns itself on the side of a political party. That, in and of itself, should tell people all they need to know.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:45 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Default Re: Israel Lobbyist suggests False Flag attack to start war with Iran

yeah that media is a real jerk to israel

UN too, look at all those sanctions imposed on israel
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actually that isn't true.
Mind going into some detail? Now obviously I was exaggerating, but I'd like to hear (or read) your point of view.

EDIT: Sorry, should have read the thread first.
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