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Thanks for posting that. I was on a plane for most of the hubub, so it's taken me a few days to catch up.

I think his guest at the end though actually undermines his point a little. It sounds as though some of this is about the movie, even if that is just an excuse. It sounds as though the movie was used to whip people into a frenzy, even if it was a coordinated effort with some very insidious and focused people behind it. Obviously saying that the US' foreign policy has nothing to do with the attacks is ridiculous, but I am curious about his very direct line between the Blind Sheik's imprisonment, and the death of the people in the embassy.
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I'm sick of all this "America's been bombing the middle east and occupying land" shit.

I'm Egyptian and I've been all around the middle east,NOTHING ever goes on here.Did you see any Iraqis do whats supposedly happening over the video? Did you see Afghanistanis get pissed? No and THEY'RE the ones who have shit going on.

ALL the countries "except Libya" that have made a big deal about this video have NEVER been bombed or attack by the U.S and are not occupied.They are just fucking muslims who hate everything the west stands for.The only people ruining the middle east ARE middle eastern people in power themselves,Arabs just pathetically like blaming the world for their failures.And muslims who really as pissed at the movie are literally like immature spoiled little brats.
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I'm sick of all this "America's been bombing the middle east and occupying land" shit.
I was going to take the same route that I took in the other thread when dealing with you, but this post is just too ignorant for me to ignore. As much as I'd love to poke fun at how clueless you appear to be, it's a personal calling for me to enlighten you. I'm your own personal Damien Sandow, Gandhi.

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I'm Egyptian and I've been all around the middle east,NOTHING ever goes on here. Did you see any Iraqis do whats supposedly happening over the video? Did you see Afghanistanis get pissed? No and THEY'RE the ones who have shit going on.
They're the ones that YOU KNOW have shit going on. Surely you're not so stupid (which I'm starting to doubt) as to believe that we do not have Special Troops/Forces Battallions on the ground right now in EVERY SINGLE Middle Eastern country? Or do you believe that CNN, Fox News, and NBC report every single military factoid? A simple Google search will bring you to a article that claims rioters clashed with security forces outside of a military base in Afghanistan.

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ALL the countries "except Libya" that have made a big deal about this video have NEVER been bombed or attack by the U.S and are not occupied.
Or so you say. LOL.

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They are just fucking muslims who hate everything the west stands for.
I think that they hate that we went over there in the early 1990's and never left. I am a veteran of OEF X. Going over there and changing their mentality which has been imbedded since biblical times is an impossibility. It's as simple as that. ISAF and NATO forces over there have a complete and total disregard for the customs of the Middle East. It would be akin to me walking in your house and breaking every single household rule you had set forth because I'm the big, bad bully in the neighborhood. You wouldn't get pissed?

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The only people ruining the middle east ARE middle eastern people in power themselves,Arabs just pathetically like blaming the world for their failures.And muslims who really as pissed at the movie are literally like immature spoiled little brats.
Their failures as what? They don't want us over there. They would leave us alone otherwise, I think. They riot, revolt, rape, and kill to get their point across.

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I was going to take the same route that I took in the other thread when dealing with you, but this post is just too ignorant for me to ignore. As much as I'd love to poke fun at how clueless you appear to be, it's a personal calling for me to enlighten you. I'm your own personal Damien Sandow, Gandhi.
You keep telling yourself that even though I'm assuming you don't even live in the middle east.

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They're the ones that YOU KNOW have shit going on. Surely you're not so stupid (which I'm starting to doubt) as to believe that we do not have Special Troops/Forces Battallions on the ground right now in EVERY SINGLE Middle Eastern country? Or do you believe that CNN, Fox News, and NBC report every single military factoid? A simple Google search will bring you to a article that claims rioters clashed with security forces outside of a military base in Afghanistan.
You misunderstand.I know there are forces here in the middle east but they NEVER do anything and they're a few too.No I don't believe in the Fox News garbage or any of these news stations I get my information on Arabs and muslims by actually talking to them and living with them.America and Saudi Arabia for example are best friends,Really they are.Most Arabs is most Gulf nations fucking love America and are happy they have forces there,I don't think you;d believe me but thats the damn truth.

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Or so you say. LOL.
I like how you just reply with a "LOL" because you can't actually give me evidence that countries like Yemen or Egypt have ever faced much of anything from America.I bet you're going to google something right now,Heh.

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I think that they hate that we went over there in the early 1990's and never left. I am a veteran of OEF X. Going over there and changing their mentality which has been imbedded since biblical times is an impossibility. It's as simple as that. ISAF and NATO forces over there have a complete and total disregard for the customs of the Middle East. It would be akin to me walking in your house and breaking every single household rule you had set forth because I'm the big, bad bully in the neighborhood.
Most middle eastern mostly muslim immigrants over at the west have no respect for the "customs" of west and even try to change it and oh have I forgotten the suicide bombers or the raping muslims do in Australia or western nations like Sweden? You're right about western forces kinda being a "bully" but middle easterns are not much of the "good guys who happen to be victims" either.

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Their failures as what? They don't want us over there. They riot, revolt, rape, and kill to get their point across.
Their failures in being economically horrible nations,Other than the gulf "which are helped by america most of the time and the west" most muslim nations are garbage to live in and I'm not saying that because they're muslim communities I'm saying it because even muslims hate living in muslim countries thats why muslims MIGRATE to the west to find jobs and actually have a FUTURE there.I'm not some american lover "I hate nationalism" or somebody who hates Arabs,I'm just being real about things.
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You keep telling yourself that even though I'm assuming you don't even live in the middle east.
What would that have to do with anything?

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You misunderstand.
No, you failed to properly get your point across in a coherent, sensible manner. I'm not dumbing myself down to conduct a dialogue with you.

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I know there are forces here in the middle east but they NEVER do anything and they're a few too.
Right, but they don't have to do anything. WHY ARE THEY EVEN THERE? Why does the United States even have a military presence there? No Middle Eastern government openly attacked our freedom or way of life, so why the show of force?

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No I don't believe in the Fox News garbage or any of these news stations I get my information on Arabs and muslims by actually talking to them and living with them.
You probably live with Easterners who have been influenced by Western culture. They're not the ones who are rioting. It's the common folk who herd sheep.

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America and Saudi Arabia for example are best friends,Really they are.Most Arabs is most Gulf nations fucking love America and are happy they have forces there,I don't think you;d believe me but thats the damn truth.
Okay, that's cool, but you still haven't given a solid reason as to WHY. Your posts are long on words to make it look like you know what you're talking about, but it lacks any type of point. It's good that they like us and all, but what is the point of wasting government resources to support a military base in a friendly country then?

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I like how you just reply with a "LOL" because you can't actually give me evidence
Again, it doesn't have to do with anything, and you'd be smart (that's asking too much from you, I know) to not try and put words in my mouth to make yourself look like you actually have a point.

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that countries like Yemen or Egypt have ever faced much of anything from America.I bet you're going to google something right now,Heh.
Egypt has never faced anything from America? We didn't have our hand in the cookie jar when they had their revolution early last year? The United States didn't drop bombs on the Arabian Peninsula of Yemen in 2009 killed hordes of civilians?

And you're God-damned right I Googled it. That way, I can actually make points and have stuff to back it up, not just, "I talk to people.".


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Most middle eastern mostly muslim immigrants over at the west have no respect for the "customs" of west
Do these Middle Easterners live on armed, active military bases inside of western countries? If not, then you have no point...again.

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and even try to change it and oh have I forgotten the suicide bombers or the raping muslims do in Australia or western nations like Sweden?
That are carried out by extremist organizations NOT OF THE MIDDLE EASTERN GOVERNMENT. Christians have extremist organizations, as do Jews, and probably every other religion known to man.

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You're right about western forces kinda being a "bully" but middle easterns are not much of the "good guys who happen to be victims" either.
I never said they were. I'm of the opinion that we need to leave them the fuck alone so they can fire their AK47's in the air and herd their sheep in peace without Army and Marine infantryman doing patrols around their property while predator drones fly overhead.


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Their failures in being economically horrible nations,
Well, I would take solace in this if I had need seen first hand how "economically horrible" Pakistan and Afghanistan are. Think about that for a minute. Middle Eastern countries without western support really are bad. I'll give you that.

But, the United States, the "most powerful" and industrial country in the world with all the technology we could ask for, stockpiles of weapons from New York to Los Angeles, and the decided advantage of tanks, military vehicles, and aerial support, all of our logistics...after almost 10 FUCKING YEARS, is at a virtual stalemate with humble goat herders who pick up AK's to defend their homeland against international bullies.

A lot of good being economically viable did us, eh?
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What would that have to do with anything?
Come live here and see how people really think about westerns,They don't even "hate" on the west because of the reasons you are told about.

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No, you failed to properly get your point across in a coherent, sensible manner. I'm not dumbing myself down to conduct a dialogue with you.
Nope,You just don't catch on much.

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Right, but they don't have to do anything. WHY ARE THEY EVEN THERE? Why does the United States even have a military presence there? No Middle Eastern government openly attacked our freedom or way of life, so why the show of force?
I never said I agree with the forces being here,But I'm also not complaining because they're not doing anything either.

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You probably live with Easterners who have been influenced by Western culture. They're not the ones who are rioting. It's the common folk who herd sheep.
I myself prefer the western culture and think my nation's culture is all kinds of stupid,However I do live with people who don't follow western culture I'm kind of a loner here when it comes to my views.

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but what is the point of wasting government resources to support a military base in a friendly country then?
You want oil,We want money.There are those who are ok with the forces and those who are not and thsoe who are not are sick of the Arab world becoming "somewhat western like" and they fear ideas of liberalism or secularism might come from the west,Hell most people who hate the forces say tourists poison the middle east it was tourists who got drinking legal in Egypt.

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Egypt has never faced anything from America?
No.

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The United States didn't drop bombs on the Arabian Peninsula of Yemen in 2009 killed hordes of civilians?
I'm gonna have to look that up.

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And you're God-damned right I Googled it.
Rofl

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Do these Middle Easterners live on armed, active military bases inside of western countries? If not, then you have no point...again.
They don't,They get special treatment and abuse the treatment they get and fuck shit up thinking nobody has the right to touch.Nice folks eh?

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That are carried out by extremist organizations NOT OF THE MIDDLE EASTERN GOVERNMENT
Guess what sunshine? Most people here SUPPORT those groups,For fuck's sake I remember when 9/11 happened people CELEBRATED.Most terrorists from Al Qaeda were Saudi Arabian and EGYPTIAN and there have been riots over freeing terrorists who have killed innocents in places filled with westerns living in Egypt.

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we need to leave them the fuck alone so they can fire their AK47's in the air and herd their sheep in peace
Fucking lmfao I didn't just read this horseshit,You lost me champ.

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stockpiles of weapons
Its out of fear really.
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