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Agreed.

I'm not saying all Muslims are crazy murdering individual that would kill in the name of Allah, but there seems to be a large portion of them like this in Islamic countries, or at least the ones in power in these countries.

I find it funny how Al Qaeda is in this holy war with what they believe to be the West, or Christians, but in reality they are in a war with red necks. This is literally a war between idiots that the whole world has unfortunately been dragged into.

Let me pose a question, if Islam did not exist, heck I'll take it one step further, if religion, all kinds, did not exist, would there be peace? I think so
I'm going to be honest with you here,A world without religion wouldn't be perfect or per say better it would just be different.Bad people exist everywhere fro mevery race and group,Wither its in atheist communities or muslim communities,Being an atheist doesn't necessarily make you peaceful it just means you don't buy the horseshit religion spews.
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name them.

You make a statement, back it up. prove its a large majority and prove its the guys incharge
Al Qaeda operates in Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yeme, Indonesia.

This terrorist group, has been shielded, protected and funded by many of these governments.

How about the Taliban, an Islamic militant group, that had gained diplomatic recognition in Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan. This is a group that represses rights of it's people and have been extremely violent toward women.

How about the Muslim Brotherhood who are in charge in Egypt. I understand that nearly 80% of Egypt's population is Muslim, and the other 20% is made up of Christians among other religions, but it does not makes sense that a country should be represented by a religious group.

That is as crazy as if the Westboro Baptist Church was elected to the White House...

I understand that Egypt voted them into power, but it was a mistake they will regret. Everything that they hated about Mubarak, will come back in the form of the Muslim Brotherhood.
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There wouldn't be peace. Money and power will always corrupt people.
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No, that's just bullshit atheists love to spew. The "violence because of religion" thing is blown way out of proportion. Corruption is a thing that will always be around, whether it's caused by hunger for power or money. Religion is just used as scapegoat most of the time. And I guess all the cannibals, necrophiliacs, serial killers, hoodlums and bank robbers that fly under the radar every time something like that happens must be doing that because of religion, right?
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I'm going to be honest with you here,A world without religion wouldn't be perfect or per say better it would just be different.Bad people exist everywhere fro mevery race and group,Wither its in atheist communities or muslim communities,Being an atheist doesn't necessarily make you peaceful it just means you don't buy the horseshit religion spews.
You know what fair enough, corruption is influenced by power and money just as much as religion. I take back my statement about peace without religion.

I just think it would be one less thing people would use to justify violence and hatred. It's been used to justify hate towards people for as long as I can remember.

The Nazi's and the Jews is a prime example of this.

If you are going to hate someone fine, but don't hate a people based on a common denominator.
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Al Qaeda operates in Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yeme, Indonesia.

This terrorist group, has been shielded, protected and funded by many of these governments.

How about the Taliban, an Islamic militant group, that had gained diplomatic recognition in Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan. This is a group that represses rights of it's people and have been extremely violent toward women.

How about the Muslim Brotherhood who are in charge in Egypt. I understand that nearly 80% of Egypt's population is Muslim, and the other 20% is made up of Christians among other religions, but it does not makes sense that a country should be represented by a religious group.

That is as crazy as if the Westboro Baptist Church was elected to the White House...

I understand that Egypt voted them into power, but it was a mistake they will regret. Everything that they hated about Mubarak, will come back in the form of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Ah, 'Al Qaeda' and support. Alright, thats cool. Sure go ahead, keep getting your facts from the extremely superficial media

Al Qaeda for starters, is a very general name that americans found very catchy and decided to use it to label ALL terrorists

Second, terrorist activity is virtually unheard of in saudi arabia (really fucking realistic that america's greatest ally in the region is gonna support the group), UAE, Egypt and rest of the arab world. Oh, except for Syria, where the 'freedom fighters' that are worshipped by Americans now may not be linked to Al Qaeda, but they are a group of very violent religious fundamentalists who will destabilise the entire region. And theyre getting united states funding. Why? Because Bashar Al Assad may be a bastard, but hes a bastard who stands in the way of America interests in the region.

Second, the muslim brotherhood is absolutely nothing like al qaeda, which like i said, is just a concept thought up and exagrreated by american leaders so they turn it into an actual 'war' instead of facing what it really is: a group of loosely associated wackjobs that society hates and for some reason have been grouped together. So many organisations have been grouped together its ridiculous. Take the group Hezbollah in Lebanon. who are NOTHING like Al Qaeda. However not too long ago i heard the two were 'linked' by the US media. Which is absurd since actual Al Qaeda terrorist groups mostly spend their time killing Shi'ite sect muslims. Every day in iraq, its these shi'ite sect muslims that get blown up every day. Infact, im relatively sure both the Americans and Saudi Arabian governments may help fund that, because shi'ite muslims are so hated in the region due to their association with Iran

Its the simplest rule of all, America does care who the fuck you are or what your regime does, they will support you until all is lost. The only condition is, you have to play 'ball'. Some countries dont.

The muslim brotherhood is their choice, they democratically chose them, they exorcised your 'holy' democracy that Americans like jerking off to. I may not agree with it. You may not agree with it. But fuck, our opinion means nothing here. Their choice, nobody else's. Until either they decide to be American allies again, in which case America will have nno problem endorsing them. Or, they may decide not to play with America, in which case America will label them tyrants and may try to depose them. But we'll cross that bridge when we get to it

Oh, and btw, you forgot another major historical ally that provided the Taliban with arms, missiles, money and everything they need to fight wars. United States of America
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Second, the muslim brotherhood is absolutely nothing like al qaeda
Wrong.

I'm Egyptian btw,The muslim brotherhood are possibly the biggest lairs in Egypt and have always started shit here in Egypt that is one of the reasons the old Mubarak regime always had them in prisons "while I don't like the old regime I do agree the muslims brotherhood are dangerous".They killed our president Sadat for making a peace treaty with Israel and some today even want to stop tourism because it attracts "the wrong crowd",They are not "the nicest" group of people around.

Forgetting the muslim brotherhood,Most muslims believe in things like the killing of apostates and homosexuals or even silencing free speech because islam's quran and hadiths say so and there are stories of mohammed killing people for simpling criticizing him back in his time.Having muslims run any country is VERY dangerous for society,That is a fact.

No I'm not some white boy living in America who "buys american media garbage",I'm an ex muslim who was born and raised in the middle east.
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Who cares if you're an ex muslim? Doesn't mean you actually know or knew anything about Islam and Muhammad.
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Sadat shouldnt have surrendered. What they did was wrong but giving in back then was huge blow to egypt they never quite recovered from. But thats a whole other issue I wont get into

The brotherhood arent great, i dont like them, but this is what happens when you spend thirty years kicking a country in the balls. They remember, and they get angry, and they make very rash decisions. But its their choice, nobody else's. Democratic elections. The holy grail of your precious western civilisation.

So what are you gonna do about it? Bomb them till they elect someone else? Or maybe quietly depose of the government and install a dictator like America did in Iran during Operation Ajax in the 50s?
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Who cares if you're an ex muslim? Doesn't mean you actually know or knew anything about Islam and Muhammad.
Who cares? Allot of people.I actually used to be a very religious muslim,I know plenty about islam and my years of studying islam is what made me hate almost all of it and leave islam.

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Sadat shouldnt have surrendered. What they did was wrong but giving in back then was huge blow to egypt they never quite recovered from. But thats a whole other issue I wont get into

The brotherhood arent great, i dont like them, but this is what happens when you spend thirty years kicking a country in the balls. They remember, and they get angry, and they make very rash decisions. But its their choice, nobody else's. Democratic elections. The holy grail of your precious western civilisation.

So what are you gonna do about it? Bomb them till they elect someone else? Or maybe quietly depose of the government and install a dictator like America did in Iran during Operation Ajax in the 50s?
First of all Sadat never surrendered,Egypt literally beat the living shit out of Israel in our last battle and we kicked all the Israelis out of Sinai.What Sadat did was make a peace treaty to end the war thats it,Sadat saw that there was no point in raging war against Israel anymore and he even went to Israel to sign the treaty himself.He realized Egypt wasn't in a state to be at war,He is to be honest one of our greatest presidents.

My precious western civilization? I'll point out that I think most of the people of my country are ignoramuses "which they are" who know nothing bout anything and the amount of peopel who are uneducated here is allot sadly,Mohammed Morsi is only president of Egypt because the person who went against Morsi in the campaign was Pro Mubarak and EVERYBODY hates Mubarak he was simply the lesser of two evils to people.The same could be said about Obama and Mitt Romney at the U.S,Most americans hate both but will vote to see the lesser of two evils win.
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Wrong.

I'm Egyptian btw,The muslim brotherhood are possibly the biggest lairs in Egypt and have always started shit here in Egypt that is one of the reasons the old Mubarak regime always had them in prisons "while I don't like the old regime I do agree the muslims brotherhood are dangerous".They killed our president Sadat for making a peace treaty with Israel and some today even want to stop tourism because it attracts "the wrong crowd",They are not "the nicest" group of people around.

Forgetting the muslim brotherhood,Most muslims believe in things like the killing of apostates and homosexuals or even silencing free speech because islam's quran and hadiths say so and there are stories of mohammed killing people for simpling criticizing him back in his time.Having muslims run any country is VERY dangerous for society,That is a fact.

No I'm not some white boy living in America who "buys american media garbage",I'm an ex muslim who was born and raised in the middle east.
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No.. Coming from someone who's well versed in both the Quran and hadiths, I'd venture to say that you've pulled that out of your ass.
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i'm an ex-muslim. i was one in my last lifetime. oh wait wrong religion. anyway this Gandhi guy seems like a hindu extremist.
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