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Old 09-15-2012, 02:20 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm Muslim and I really wish my Muslim brothers would wisen up, cool their heads and stop themselves from doing any more stupid shit. Why do we insist on getting furious over a stupid video, and draw more attention to it?
somebody gets it

this is purely an anti-western thing manifesting.

Westernised Muslims are clued up, they get it. These cretins in the middle east don't get it.

The conduct of egyptian leadership has been shamefull.
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Old 09-15-2012, 02:24 PM   #22 (permalink)
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In a sense tho, he's right, all religions are like that if you follow the holy book word for word.

Religion in general needs to just die.
Nah, he's just bullshitting and generalizing. Most people I've met use religion positively to live a life of hope and being good spirited. Be it Muslims or Christians. Some extremists just love to do stupid things so they find any justification for their actions. That should, however, not be the example set on everyone else from the same group. That's as dumb as saying all white people are represented by the KKK or that all Jamaicans smoke weed.

I was raised pretty religious (yes, on Islam) and was always taught good morals, but the more I've become independent in my last few years, the further I've moved away into my own little free-thinking beliefs where I set my own rules for myself to live by.
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Old 09-15-2012, 02:27 PM   #23 (permalink)
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In a sense tho, he's right, all religions are like that if you follow the holy book word for word.

Religion in general needs to just die.
I have to agree with this. Religion in general is just used too often to control stupid people and to promote hate and ignorance. Obviously most religious people are fine, but I think we'd all be better off without it at this point.

That said, I think they're just using this film as a cover-up and to incite more riots.
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Old 09-15-2012, 02:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Islam is just as fucked up as Christianity or any other religion, Islam is just a tad younger than christianity, just look back 400-500 years and you've got the same state in CHristianity that Islam is now in. Big religions have a pattern, and the extremist fucktards are independant of religious believe, it doesn't matter if your indoctrinated by God hates infidels or God hates fags bullshit. Just a matter of quantity
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Overreaction if the video is indeed the cause of the violence.

Should just pack the asshole who made this video off to Egypt tho. I don't even see what the point was in making this garbage. I can understand hating Muslims, but why does anyone have to make a terrible and inaccurate movie about it? Just keep your ridiculous thoughts to yourself and stop stirring up shit.

Also if our cultures had reversed fortunes, that is if we were in their position and they were in ours, and someone made a video insulting Jesus, I'm pretty sure you would get a similar kind of reaction from our masses. Anyone pretending that Christians are better than Muslims is just being delusional.
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As someone who grew up in a Muslim family(I am now agnostic), I will never understand the hate a lot of the middle eastern world has towards the US and Western Civilization.

Is it jealousy? They're stuck in a crappy situation and blame it on the world, that there is this conspiracy against them. Of course not all Muslims, but a predominate amount, whether they admit it or not.

While the rest of the world advances, the muslim world is stuck in the past, clinging to this hate from thousands and thousands of years ago, like a whiny little kid, a dangerous whiny little kid, who believes murder is okay as long as it is in the name of god.

99% of the worlds population would never have heard or seen this video if it wasn't for the protests and attacks. I just don't think people care about this shit. Yes I know racism exists in the world, but the Muslim world needs to open its eyes and realize it isn't the World vs the Muslim world, its the World vs a few Muslim idiots, and that they are bigger racists than the people they claim to be racists.

If you don't want the world to think you are crazy murdering radicals, here's an idea....stop acting like crazy murdering radicals.

I know what I've said might seem harsh, but it's how I feel.
Probably more to do with things like this, the video just served as something of a tipping point.



This is the aftermath of a NATO airstrike during their so-called "humanitarian" intervention in Libya last year......
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Ive been wondering yesterday. Does Islam make people ignorant, or are they already ignorant and just happen to be muslim. Honestly, i couldnt figure out an answer

The highlight ofcourse was the braindead guys who burned down a KFC in lebanon as protest

The guys protesting are a minority, but theyre a vocal minority

Funny thing is? Countries like egypt have EXTREMELY legitimate reasons to hate America. This bullshit about 'being jealous of freedom' is the dumbest shit ive ever heard in my life and speaks miles about far up their own assholes some americans are.

Obviously they hate America for its freedom, it cant have anything to do with how America supports fucked up dictators for years upon years as well as one of the most destructive foreign policies in the region.
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As someone who grew up in a Muslim family(I am now agnostic), I will never understand the hate a lot of the middle eastern world has towards the US and Western Civilization.

Is it jealousy? They're stuck in a crappy situation and blame it on the world, that there is this conspiracy against them. Of course not all Muslims, but a predominate amount, whether they admit it or not.

While the rest of the world advances, the muslim world is stuck in the past, clinging to this hate from thousands and thousands of years ago, like a whiny little kid, a dangerous whiny little kid, who believes murder is okay as long as it is in the name of god.

99% of the worlds population would never have heard or seen this video if it wasn't for the protests and attacks. I just don't think people care about this shit. Yes I know racism exists in the world, but the Muslim world needs to open its eyes and realize it isn't the World vs the Muslim world, its the World vs a few Muslim idiots, and that they are bigger racists than the people they claim to be racists.

If you don't want the world to think you are crazy murdering radicals, here's an idea....stop acting like crazy murdering radicals.

I know what I've said might seem harsh, but it's how I feel.
I appreciate the honesty & candor in this post. It's an interesting POV from someone with a better understanding of those involved.
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The world is a fucked up place and in both sides of the spectrum they are wrong in different accounts. When these attacks towards US Embassy's were done in Libya and Egypt I saw Obama deliver a speech which sounded eerily like something George Bush would have said which is scary. He started talking about national security to protect the freedoms of America and the Arab world's hatred for their values but anyone who has ever done research into this matter will know that this has nothing to do with hating on western values or protecting freedoms which apparently the Arab world is "Jealous of", its anything but that. The United States freedoms have been diminishing year by year since 9/11 due to America's version of the Nuremberg Laws the Nazi's wrote in 1933 ala the Patriot Act.

It is everything to do with the United States continued policy of interventionism in the middle east, the formation of hundreds of military bases around the world including in Arabic countries which has led to two unjust wars (three if you include Libya) and the Arab countries who have military bases surrounding them are frightened and scared because essentially they have the US military occupying their land. The first thing you want to do when you have foreign invaders is to attack and repel them and get them the hell out of their land. If China or Russia had military bases in the United States, there would be outrage across the world but the US these days tend to get a free pass. All this done in the name of promoting "Democracy" in western countries. Whether the US government actually believes in democracy by force or not is up for debate and that usually leads to conspiracy theorists coming up with alternative explanations.

This leads to the video that was made...and quite frankly this is where the stupidity of Religion and its fanatical followers come into play. The fact is it is bad enough that some thick headed idiots have come up with a way to insult Islam and its followers. I haven't seen the video myself but my guess is is that this video probably was made by some Christian religious fanatics trying to promote propaganda against Islam as they see what's going on the middle east as a holy war. Remember when Bush called the war against terrorism a crusade about 10 years ago? Proves my point. Either that or some dimwitted American who has been brainwashed into thinking Islam is the biggest evil against western values. Either way, its fucking retarded.

But then we have these religious muslim fanatics who are quite rightly angry but then end up resorting to violence and end up killing innocent people including that American diplomat in Libya who is probably only doing his job and only doing what the people above him want him to do and pretty much prove the points this video and Christian/anti Islam fanatics have been saying all along. Religion mixed with a political situation is never a good thing and always seems to escalate into violence and its been proven time and time again. I would have more sympathy for the Arab world if they didn't have fanatics who use their religion as an excuse to kill innocent people just because they don't like a propaganda video that was made. Not only is it fucked up and it plays right back into the hands of fanatical Christians and the American government.

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I appreciate the honesty & candor in this post. It's an interesting POV from someone with a better understanding of those involved.
interesting POV?

I LIVED IN THE FUCKING REGION FOR 19 YEARS

but no, id love to hear more americans telling me how my own people are doing and what theyre thinking
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