eddiefan

There is one thing I never understood about this belief. What if someone, in ancient times, was never exposed to the idea of Islam and lived a life without morals? Totally evil. But he hadn't heard of the religion and thus never got the moral lessons he should have. What happens then? Heaven or Hell?

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moon25

The god says he's merciful many times, but in this case I don't really know if he forgives him or not, there must be something or someone who told him about the god, but if there's no one then I'm no different than you I don't know, so I can't say if he goes to Heaven or Hell.

Gandhi

Moon25,I'm glad you've posted what you've posted because you're only making islam look worse.

First you say your god is loving merciful and just but then you post this.

That is NOT merciful god of love and justice,Thats just an attention seeking psychopathic bully who wants people to kiss his ass for all eternity.Ofcourse I already knew that,I'm just glad you pointed that out for me to see.See I don't really need to say much to make islam look bad,You do that on your own because islam itself IS horrid.

Even if your god exists,He is in no position to "forgive" because non believers didn't do anything to your god to begin with.If your god wants people to notice him why doesn't he just show up and show himself instead of hiding and letting humans only have "faith" he exists.Did I mention faith is to believe in something without evidence? Sad aint it?

Yes.

If your god would stoop to a level to "hate" anybody for simply not knowing he exists then he's a disgusting being tbh.You just keep proving that islam is disgusting,Keep it up man.

There is no evidence in the quran islam is a real religion of god and I'm an Arab who reads the quran allot,That quran is just bad poetry and is anything but a miracle.Don't you think its a little suspicious in mohammed's time in Arabia almost all Arabs loved poetry?

Everytime I read it I see how much of a disgusting cult islam is,Hell reading the quran is one of the reasons I started doubting islam and eventually became an ex muslim

Brainwashing at its finest.

I know pagans and hindus who say their gods have helped them countless times because they asked them to,I call those folks delusional and you are no different.

No they can't,Because they're not real and there is no evidence they exist.The same goes with islam,There is no evidence islam is real period.

Thats just utter stupidity,Thats like saying I believe in Vishnu the hindu god because it says he's a real god in Hindu scriptures.

Get me evidence,Because I sure as hell see none of it when it comes to islam.

Because islam is a copy and pasted version of christianity only it follows Arab culture.

Which god? There's millions of versions of "god" from the islamic version of god to the hindu versions of god to the zoroastrian version of god.

Also,You can't just make someone "believe" in something you need to show them evidence.

And I'm not afraid of hell,Because it doesn't exist and is only a barbaric lie made up to trick people into joining cults out of fear and ignorance.

He didn't ask me to believe in him,You and all the muslim community did.I'm not calling you a lair for saying he exists,I'm calling your "prophet" a lair who made all this islam cult garbage up and tricked the world to gain fame and power "and you and I both know the guy got his fair share of power and fame"

If he doesn't need me he won't want me or anybody to worship him.

You trying to get me scared or something? If the god of islam is real then we are all screwed and millions of innocents will burn in hell.Its that simple.

I'm not "feeling I don't need to believe" I'd instantly believe the god of islam exists if you show me proof he exists but alas,You muslims only talk about faith "which is to believe without evidence".

Praying didn't do anything to me,And reading the quran allot is why I became an atheist ex muslim.

Religion of fear eh? Glorious.

When I watch a movie that supposed to be scary I will still fear the creepy crawlers in the movie,It doesn't mean I believe in them its just a movie and in your case hell is just a lie made up in the cults known throughout all human history from Greek mythology to islam today.

I'm glad you posted,Really I am.

Funny,Because technology "mostly the internet" is one of the reasons I realized islam was nothing but a complete made up cult.

Apparently your god forgot to send prophets to Japan,Australia,South America and was only able to send prophets in the middle east.You just keep on making islam look worse and worse by each post,Thanks bro.

So you're saying everytime muslims preach islam to non believers you're giving non believers a chance to go to hell? Stop preaching then so everybody can go to heaven fucking rofl.

I've read it countless times "In arabic since I'm Arab" and I understand it fully and still see there is no evidence islam is real.There is no proof islam is real in the quran,Just verses about heaven and hell or stories about prophets and rules set in the form of horrid poetry.

Yes there are many muslim converts who convert to islam because they fall in love with islam's rules and way of life.They do not join islam because of proof,They join islam because the media protects islam and people lie and say islam is a religion of peace.People are tricked into believing so much about islam when in truth the core of islam is very disgusting,And this is coming from an atheist ARAB ex muslim who used to be very religious.

And another thing,Do you hear about the ex muslims who leave islam? Ofcourse you don't because there are only a few who admit to the world they are ex muslim and most ex muslims "such as myself" hide for their lives because we know if we admit we're apostates we will be captured by muslims and maybe even killed after all your hadiths state ex muslim apostates must be killed.

Which is why it is stupid.Faith is to believe in things without evidence,Which is moronic tbh.

I have faith in those pink fairies I mentioned! I don't need evidence they exist I just need faith! See how stupid faith sounds?

Jews have never believed in christianity.Coming from jewish friends of mine,Most jews believe jesus either never existed and others believe he was a lair simple as that.If jews believed in christianity they wouldn't be jews.

Same as the above,If christians believed in islam they wouldn't be christian.

They have similarities because they are all copy and pasted versions of each other.

Wanna know a fun fact? Jews don't believe in hell,Nothing in the torah EVER speaks about a concept such as hell and I know this from jewish friends I have.Hell was a concept only created by christians and then followed by mohammed who stole ideas from christianity.

Don't you believe that most non believers KNOW islam is real but don't care? No sane person would know they have a chance of going to hell or heaven and just "ignore it" so in other words if your god exists he is sending insane people to hell.

Thats not mercy.

What about people who don't believe he exists but do good things? Assuming all non believers are bad people is like people assuming all muslims are terrorists and bad people which I know for a fact is NOT true because my family and most of my friends are muslim and are VERY good people.

Then stop praying.

Did you seriously just compare non belief to murder?

Holy crap here you go again!

What about people who don't work their asses off but DON'T steal money?

Post by post you keep proving your god is not just.

Then stop going to school/college then and just keep reading the quran.

I've read the quran and understand it fully and understanding it is why I left islam.

First of all why would a god send in a book thats so complicated?

Secondly,You're making shit up because to me the quran does not seem hard to understand I understand it fully and always ask sheiks about the quran when I'm not sure and everything they tell me is always on my head before I ask them."Studying" the quran is just lie made up by muslims so you could try and justify the horrible verses in it.

D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-delusional-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l

Thats not really an answer,Nothing has been proven.

Lol no,Hindus and pagans DO believe in god its just that they believe in gods and not just one god thats why they are called "PAGAN RELIGIONS" and that is why islam and christianity are called "MONOTHEISTIC RELIGIONS".Wanna know something? Zoroastrianism the ancient Persian religion is also monotheistic "a better religion than islam tbh and I'm an atheist who admits this".Anyway my point is,Any belief in spiritual beings and a set of rules and rituals is a religion wither you like it or not.

Faith = To believe in something without evidence
Faith = Silly

I don't know,Will probably never know.Its better to admit I don't know than to lie to myself and say I know.

None.

He didn't say he's ok with going to hell,He said he's ok with not having a god a part of his life because he can live life normally.Don't put words into his mouth.

So you're playing the "You've got nothing to lose if you just worship him" card?

Wrong,I do have something to lose because its a waste of time and brain cells.

Thanks for the posts Moon25,You're literally driving people away from islam.

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Religion = people hearing the voice of god in their heads.

In medical terms we call this Schizophrenia, or at the least a mentally unstable condition.

What does this make religious followers....

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fergieska

Ok you're clearly unaware of how the rest of the world works. Yes you have a computer and a TV and access to information; but to be blunt a massive amount of the population doesn't. There are people who still live in tribes for example; there are millions upon millions of people who will have never heard of Islam or the three abrahamic religions. This is a fact.
And by this reasoning those who preach Islam are the biggest sinners. Think about it clearly; if not knowing would guarantee someone into heaven then why tell someone about it? By doing that you're removing their 100% guarantee to heaven and instead presenting a scenario where they go to hell. The question here comes to; why do you want people to go to hell?

On that note what if a God you don't believe in exists?

I explained this you are referencing the three abrahamic religions; you all technincally speaking fall under specific denominations of Judaism but grew popular. There actually numerous denominations of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. The nowdays comment is stupid because they never did beleive in those other religions they believed in their own.
Actually it doesn't directly state this. This is just a personal interpretation people have taken because the reality is rather grim.

Once again that's not mercy and your example is off. Here's a better example if a man commits adultery it's bad right? It is but he won't get arrested for it while he's done something bad it doesn't fit the criteria for breaking the law so if a police officer doesn't arrest him for it, it's not a sign of mercy. Since Yaweh's requirement is just to accept himn then anything else is irrelevant. So to that extent not mercy.

These examples you're giving are utterly over the top. You don't think it's fair; well lets clarify what you think is fair. You think it's fair that people who don't share the same belief as you are to be punished for eternity. You think it's fair that despite being a good person, despite helping others I deserve to rot in hell as do any good person outside of your faith. Your examples of murder and such really emphasise the negative stance towards those who acted violently due to the video. These punishments you mention are in no way shape or form justified to what you claim they are against.
You've missed the point here. If god is 100% just then he can't give mercy otherwise he isn't 100% just. Showing any mercy will mean that he isn't 100% just because the two directly contradict each other.
Of course but these not obvious parts tend to come under pure interpretation. Someone can read any book and get any interpretation from it; that's the thing with personal interpretation the limitation of it is the persons imagination.
I can say the exact same thing about the fairies and my claim will be just as credible as yours. You kicking and screaming otherwise won't make it less so.
And many proven to be false.
I honestly don't think you do.
This comment is stupid and condescending. Being monotheistic is not the basis of religion and it is completely possible to be polytheistic and be a religion. Paganism and Hinduism are religions; that's a fact.
Actually you said it was truth filled with evidence; this is a complete change of view from you.
Quantum mechanics most likely.
The energy won't but the material form yes.
My body will decompose.
None.
Yes; are you willing to do the same for any other religion?
Pascals Wager is a flawed argument. It's what you're using; basically you're saying it is better to believe in your god than not believe because if you believe in the God and you're wrong nothing happens to you but if you don't believe and it does exist you go to hell. It's flawed because what if the God mentioned isn't the one you worship? What if it's a god that puts people of the Islamic faith to hell? That's the problem; you're so cocksure that you're right you don't seem to realise that millions of people with different faiths have just as much credibility as you. None.
I'm not; look it's obvious by know that I don't believe in Gods. Can you please stop acting as if I'm communicating with one?

Because it's the Gods decision to send me to hell. He can just as easily say "you know what not this time" but he doesn't. He instead chooses the cruel option. It's entirely his power; his choice therefore his fault.
No it's not wrong for me. And while you think it's the truth the facts say otherwise.

It's not common sense; it's actually rather imaginative and out there. Like saying "I think it's common sense that unicorns exist". Really your statement here is essentially you don't know things therefore God is the answer. And a specific God at that. It's an argument from ignorance.
I think you're reading me wrong as I don't have a deep religious belief. But basically while you're convinced you're right the fact is you have no proof to this; no more than river stix or bamboo prison (these are examples of hell from other beliefs where you are sent to them for your disbelief in them).

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Trifektah

Religion is stupid and Islam is the dumbest of them all.

It's basis is nothing more than a crazy, murderous pedophile stealing ideas from local tribal religions and fastening them to Judaism and Christianity. Read 'Why I am Not a Muslim', it lays out it intricate detail where Mohamet pilfered all of the ideas for his joke of a religion.

If somebody pulled the shit that Jesus and Mohamet did in this day and age we would lock them up for being crazy and rightfully so. So why do so many people decide to believe those two?

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yeah, why would anyone believe in helping others, being good to your fellow man, turning the other cheek, a code of ethics and the existence of metaphysical forces beyond on our own

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Shazayum

Pseudo-intellectual rite dere

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STOOPID

#Mark

Looks like you've read a couple of Gandhi's shitty posts and decided to weigh in. Get educated son.

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