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eddiefan · 09-24-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Panther

Exactly. And expecting Western societies to fake respect towards Islam and curb our own free speech to satisfy the demands of a few cry baby extremist Muslims is unreasonable. Myself, I make it a point not to attack the general Muslim population. I attack Islam and the fundamentalists. I find it a barbaric, hateful religion just like Christianity. If me criticizing Islam is considered "insensitive" than tough shit. I know not every part of the world doesn't have free speech. In many Muslim countries, blasphemy is a crime. In fact, look at this.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/push-to-...922-26dlu.html

While I'm doubtful this will ever pass, it's scary to think that criticism of any religion, even well meaning and thoughtful criticism, could be outlawed because some extreme Theists don't want their feelings hurt. Human rights are about humans. I hear shit from Theists and people on the other side of the political aisle that I don't like and I don't throw a tantrum and demand their criticisms be outlawed. Free speech trumps religious sensitivities. I'm not talking about speech that targets Muslims for violence. No, that is hate speech. But criticizing Islam and mocking their prophet isn't "hate" speech although one can hate Islam.

I love Muslims but hate Islam and what it can do to otherwise peaceful people. Get over it.

I am just talking based on the video that caused all the recent violence and no one can call that a well meaning and thoughtful criticism. That is my biggest gripe in this whole situation.

And again, we have vastly different cultures and I don't see how anyone can just expect them to adhere to ours. That just comes off as arrogant to me. I think our ways are right but how can we just expect an entire population to look at things our way. There was no reason for an idiot to rock the boat is my point.

And hating Islam helps nothing. It is going to be around no matter how much the majority of Americans want it gone. There are Muslims who live peacefully with their religion and understand how to interact with all cultures. And if their religion gives them some sort of peace in life than it is all good. I hate the people who twist words in religious books and use them for their own means. I hate the corrupt governments who keep fucking people over in these Muslim countries which causes them to lash out over any supposed insult. I hate our government which maintain this ridiculous notion of how we have the best interests of people in these countries in our heart but just keep putting them in terrible situations over and over again. Those are the things which people really should hate.

**Glass Shatters** · 09-24-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Panther

In many Muslim countries, blasphemy is a crime. In fact, look at this.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/push-to-...922-26dlu.html

While I'm doubtful this will ever pass, it's scary to think that criticism of any religion, even well meaning and thoughtful criticism, could be outlawed because some extreme Theists don't want their feelings hurt.

How is this any different than someone who denies the Holocaust, which is a crime punishable in many places throughout the world?

ROH Fan #1 · 09-24-2012, 02:03 PM

Yeh people get sand in their vagina waaaayyyy too quickly. Jews when you say the Holocaust was exagarated (which indeed is punishable in many a country) Muslims when you draw a pig and call him Mohammed.

These people need to grow a set of balls and not act like little bitches. Plain and simple. Stupid people who feel the need to push their twisted demented view of the world onto other peacefull people. They all deserve to die, see what I did there.

**777** · 09-24-2012, 02:37 PM

Moderate Muslims never seem to denounce this type of extremism. Why is that?

kobra860 · 09-24-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 777

Moderate Muslims never seem to denounce this type of extremism. Why is that?

They probably do but no one gives them mainstream attention. There was a reality show that tried to depict Muslim families in a positive light but ignorant people started protesting and the ratings didn't do too well.

charmed1 · 09-24-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 777

Moderate Muslims never seem to denounce this type of extremism. Why is that?

Speaking as someone who knows many Muslims and is dating one thats utterly untrue. Most Muslims far and large will vehemently denounce the extremism more so than the average westerner. That extremism has affected there lives a hell of a lot more than you and has caused a lot of pain in there culture and misunderstanding.

BS like the innocence of muslims wasnt well meaning or well done its spiteful hate and if someone cant have the common decency to have the ability to respect anothers race or religion GTFO.

The only thing truly intolerable is hate.

moon25 · 09-24-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver-94

I respectively disagree. I do know some people that have researched on Islam but have come to the conclusion that it isn't god's religion. There are also those who leave Islam after so many years as Muslims. Of course, we don't know if they were strong Muslims but it just shows that Muslims can't all be grounded to their faith.

"There's no compulsion in religion" means that Muslims have no right to force non-believers to be muslim, because they're human just like them, they can't judge them, but the god has all the rights to judge them and punish them and put them to hell, because he is the one who created them and gave them everything they need to live, so they have to believe in him.
So muslims have every right to preach you, and lead you to the right way, and tell you to follow the right way and avoid the wrong way and tell you that if you don't believe in god you'll go to hell, and the god will punish you, but it's not them who punish you and put you to hell if you didn't believe in god, and they don't have the right to do so, but the god can do anything he wants to you.
I don't see where's the conclusion here.
I hope that I made myself clear.

**Shazayum** · 09-24-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kobra860

They probably do but no one gives them mainstream attention. There was a reality show that tried to depict Muslim families in a positive light but ignorant people started protesting and the ratings didn't do too well.

This. There are plenty of Muslims, even in countries that "hate" america, that denounce violence, the media just chooses to focus on negative shit.

fergieska · 09-25-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by eddiefan

Agree with charmed1. That video was made to offend and the makers need to know that they are partly responsible for all the violence.

No 100% of the blame falls on those acting violently. When you make statements like this you are to a small extent justifying their actions. They are in no form justified at all; it's an excessive overreaction to a minimal thing.

No matter how deep your beliefs are; to act violent because one insults them is not justified at all.

Anark · 09-25-2012, 08:02 AM

Muslims are innocent until proven Muslim.